[Foss4g2009] Re: FOSS4G 2009 Website Submissions

Paul Ramsey pramsey at cleverelephant.ca
Wed Jan 7 12:59:47 EST 2009


No, it was open to the world in 2007. Schuyler even did his lightning  
talk using the data gathered during the process. http://www.foss4g2007.org/plenaries/lightning/#erle

P.

On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Shoaib Burq wrote:

> Paul was 2007 voting limited to the members of the OC?
>
> I was under the impression the voting for 2009 was proposed to be open
> to the whole community.
>
> shoaib
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Paul Ramsey  
> <pramsey at cleverelephant.ca> wrote:
>> I gave people a list of everything, in random order, with the ability
>> so sub-set it with a keyword search. So if they wanted, the could  
>> vote
>> on only PostGIS things, and if they started from the top and worked
>> down then got tired, we'd still get a randomly distributed set of
>> preferences.
>>
>> P.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Volker Mische <volker.mische at gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I like to keep the effort as minimal as possible. Therefore  I  
>>> would say
>>> solution 2+3.
>>>
>>> I see no problem if everyone who wants to submit a workshop/ 
>>> abstract has
>>> to register. It takes 5min for everyone, and all of them should be
>>> capable of registering at a website. And it would save our time to  
>>> find
>>> a workaround with a dummy user.
>>>
>>> I guess for the voting we need to get it somehow out of the  
>>> database,
>>> but this should be a matter of a small script.
>>>
>>> One open question for me is: What do we use for voting. I like
>>> http://www.ideatorrent.org/. The problem is that once a workshop  
>>> is in
>>> the "top 10" it's likely that people just vote for those at the  
>>> top, and
>>> not the ones at the bottom.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Volker
>>>
>>> mapbutcher wrote:
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> I've begun to configure the 2009 OCS conference pages on the OCS
>>>> instance on the OSGeo box. If you don't already have an account  
>>>> it may
>>>> be an idea to create one:
>>>>
>>>> http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2009/user/account
>>>>
>>>> Volker, Shoaib - any preference on which way we should go based  
>>>> upon my
>>>> earlier email?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/1/5 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>    Copying to the foss4g2009 email list for archiving.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        Hi Simon, thank you to include me in this list.
>>>>        I would suggest to use a mailing list to go on with this
>>>>        conversation because it is important to have it archived,  
>>>> IMO.
>>>>        another thing I would like to suggest is the use of a wiki  
>>>> page,
>>>>        you've made so many important questions that it is normal  
>>>> that
>>>>        you will receive an answer at the time, if you're lucky ;-)
>>>>
>>>>        my experience with OCS is still very limited, I've just  
>>>> set up
>>>>        an instance [1] to practice. The instalation is pretty  
>>>> easy if
>>>>        you don't have safe_mode php (I do).
>>>>
>>>>        I've started a private conversation with Tyler about part of
>>>>        your questions and he has discovered interesting features  
>>>> that I
>>>>        guess he will comment to everybody.
>>>>
>>>>        I'll check out the few answers I can maybe give while we  
>>>> decide
>>>>        if it's worth to move the conversation to foss4g2009  
>>>> mailing list.
>>>>
>>>>        ciao
>>>>        Lorenzo
>>>>
>>>>        [1] http://foss4g2010.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        mapbutcher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>            All, (Lorenzo cc'd because of your recent emails to
>>>>            OSGeo-conf, Gavin your experience of OCS in 2008 may  
>>>> help
>>>>            shape our choice of scenario?)
>>>>
>>>>            We need to 'integrate' the current site
>>>>            (http:.//2009.foss4g.org/ <http://2009.foss4g.org/>
>>>>            <http://2009.foss4g.org/>) with OCS for 2009. We need to
>>>>            have these processes handled:
>>>>
>>>>              1. Workshop submission (2nd February 2009 Call for
>>>>            workshops open)
>>>>              2. Abstract submission (9th March 2009 Call for  
>>>> abstracts
>>>>            open)
>>>>
>>>>            I've purposefully not discussed here the presentation  
>>>> of the
>>>>            conference programme on the website as i feel this  
>>>> adds a
>>>>            layer of complexity to the integration which we should
>>>>            handle separately. Instead I suggest we work on this
>>>>            separate from the submission process -  any feelings on
>>>>            this? Given the time frames I'd like to suggest the
>>>>            following  - I'm open to other scenarios but please  
>>>> consider
>>>>            our time frame:
>>>>
>>>>            Scenario 1 - Partial Integration
>>>>
>>>>            a) We develop a workshop proposal and abstract  
>>>> submission
>>>>            page external from OCS for the current site
>>>>            (http://2009.foss4g.org/).
>>>>            b) Ideally it would be preferable if these pages do not
>>>>            require authorisation to make the process of submission
>>>>            simple (If possible? - see clarification questions  
>>>> below)
>>>>            c) Submissions are made directly into the OCS database  
>>>> via
>>>>            an OCS API (If possible? - see clarification questions  
>>>> below)
>>>>            d) Submissions are reviewed internally by OC using OCS  
>>>> (If
>>>>            possible? - see clarification questions below)
>>>>
>>>>            Scenario 2 - OCS
>>>>
>>>>            a) We link a new submission page on the current site to
>>>>            OSGeo OCS instance (ideally the most obvious entry  
>>>> point -
>>>>            i.e. register, submission but not just OCS home)
>>>>            b) We use what css capability in OCS to make these sites
>>>>            'appear as one'
>>>>            c) Workshop proposals are put through as submissions  
>>>> in OCS
>>>>            under a 'workshop' track
>>>>            d) We follow the OCS work flows for review
>>>>
>>>>            Scenario 3 -  OCS and Review through current site
>>>>
>>>>            a) We follow scenario 1 or 2 (probably 2) above until
>>>>            submission is complete
>>>>            b) We provide visibility onto OCS data from the  
>>>> current site
>>>>            for the following (both of these we develop outside of  
>>>> OCS):
>>>>               i) Workshop and Presentation Open Vote
>>>>               ii)Online Programme
>>>>              From a practical point of view we have limited time &
>>>>            resources. Granted OCS has cosmetic issues as well as  
>>>> having
>>>>            a rather rigid work flow but it brings a certain  
>>>> amount to
>>>>            the table which we may not have the resources to  
>>>> replicate
>>>>            in time for the workshop and abstract submission  
>>>> opening.
>>>>            Personally I cannot throw much time at this in January,
>>>>            Shoaib & Volker what is your availability? Given this my
>>>>            preference would be Scenario 3 with the following  
>>>> outline
>>>>            approach:
>>>>
>>>>              1. Create 2009 Conference in OCS on OSGeo box (easy)
>>>>              2. Configure the necessary parts for submissions  
>>>> (more time
>>>>                 consuming, but not tricky)
>>>>              3. Set up styles(again a bit time consuming)
>>>>              4. Test submission work flow
>>>>              5. Create registration page on 2009.foss4g outlining
>>>>            submission
>>>>                 work flow and with links into OCS
>>>>              6. Begin to develop a workshop and presentation open  
>>>> vote
>>>>                 page\backend for 2009.foss4g
>>>>              7. Begin to develop a programme page\backend for  
>>>> 2009.foss4g
>>>>
>>>>            Below are some clarification questions that Shoaib and I
>>>>            discussed when we met in December which some people  
>>>> may be
>>>>            able to answer
>>>>
>>>>              1. What version of OCS is OSGeo using currently?
>>>>              2. What backend does OSGeo use for OCS?
>>>>              3. Does OCS allow abstracts once reviewed and  
>>>> approved to be
>>>>                 'assigned' to a time slot in the programme?
>>>>              4. OCS does not support 'workshop' proposal  
>>>> submission is this
>>>>                 correct? i.e. it only supports abstract submission
>>>>              5. What information do we need to gather as part of  
>>>> workshop
>>>>                 submissions?
>>>>              6. Does OCS support ATOM/RSS and iCal feed creation
>>>>              7. Does OCS allow the program to be displayed on a  
>>>> website
>>>>            in the
>>>>                 form of a calender, my understanding is that OCS  
>>>> only
>>>>            displays a
>>>>                 conference program as a list?
>>>>              8. Does OCS have support for conference Streams/ 
>>>> Themes? if
>>>>            so does
>>>>                 if allow Abstracts and Workshops to be assigned to
>>>>            Themes? My
>>>>                 understanding is that OCS uses 'Tracks' to do this?
>>>>              9. Does OCS have an API to submit abstracts so the  
>>>> we can
>>>>            call it
>>>>                 directly from the foss4g website without having to
>>>>            transition to
>>>>                 another site. e.g. can we setup the abstract  
>>>> submission
>>>>            form on
>>>>                 FOSS4G that calls the OCS with an HTTP Post  
>>>> request. My
>>>>                 understanding is that there isn't an API and  
>>>> there are
>>>>            some very
>>>>                 basic import mechanisms
>>>>             10. How does OCS support email notification of
>>>>            proposal/abstract
>>>>                 submission & approval?
>>>>             11. Does OCS require every user to login with the  
>>>> correct
>>>>            roles or
>>>>                 can we by-pass this requirement to simplify the the
>>>>                 abstract/workshop submission? e.g. will this  
>>>> require a
>>>>            proxy user?
>>>>             12. If we submit Abstract/Workshops to the back end
>>>>            directly (by
>>>>                 passing OCS) can OCS still be used to review and
>>>>            approve them?
>>>>             13. How hard is it to change the theme and layout of  
>>>> the OCS
>>>>                 webpages so that the transition between the  
>>>> foss4g site
>>>>            and OCS
>>>>                 is as smooth as possible
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>            We need to begin to move on this ASAP so if we can  
>>>> gather
>>>>            feedback, preferences etc by 8th Dec:
>>>>            http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>>>>            <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240 
>>>> >
>>>>            <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>>>>            <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240 
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>            Cameron can we take a decision on the way forward  
>>>> thereafter?
>>>>
>>>>            Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>    Cameron Shorter
>>>>    Geospatial Systems Architect
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>>>>
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>>>>
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