[Foss4g2009] Re: FOSS4G 2009 Website Submissions
Lorenzo Becchi
lorenzo at ominiverdi.com
Tue Jan 13 08:53:53 EST 2009
Hi Volker, I like your Solution I, and would like to help with the
module for OCS.
I don't have too much time for it but let's see if I can help.
we will need this module for Barcelona too and it make sense to me we
share the effort.
ciao
lorenzo
Volker Mische wrote:
> Hi Simon, Shoaib,
>
> I should and want to get started (as I already said I won't have any
> time in February). I thought about the workshop voting.
>
> Solution I:
> Should we do the voting within OCS, and use its authentication, so
> everyone who wants to vote has to register in OCS.
>
> Pro:
> * We will use OCS, so it stays within the system, we don't need to
> bother with authentication
> * Could potentially also used for future conferences
>
> Con:
> * I stopped coding PHP before it got really OOP. To get a OCS plugin
> working it would take (at least for me) some serious effort
> * It doesn't seem that the OCS plugin API is made for such plugins (at
> least I had the impression after I had a quick look at the existing plugins)
>
> Solution II:
> We dump out the Workshop data somehow out of OCS and we build a
> quick'n'dirty script with registration especially for the voting.
>
> Pro:
> * We can use whatever we want. E.g. a framework like Django we you can
> easily create forms and authentication
>
> Con:
> * I also have no idea about web frameworks, but getting started should
> be fairly easy.
> * We need to export and import the data
> * It probably is a "use it one time and trash it" solution and not
> nothing that could be reused for future conferences
>
> I'd prefer Solution II as it looks like being more fun than Solution I.
>
> Cheers,
> Volker
>
>
> mapbutcher wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Whenever I'm getting spare time I'm starting to configure the 09 OCS
>> instance - I'll keep the list posted.
>>
>> I'm trying to strip out as much of the UI to keep it focussed on the
>> submission process - I'd like to keep the main site the primary site and
>> not duplicate content across to OCS
>>
>> http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g2009/
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/9 Volker Mische <volker.mische at gmail.com
>> <mailto:volker.mische at gmail.com>>
>>
>> It would be nice if you could send it to me. I already expected (a) and
>> (b), though it might be a good reference to get started.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Volker
>>
>> Paul Ramsey wrote:
>> > It's still around, and I can send it to you. It's (a) ugly and (b)
>> > fairly specific to the database design I used for abstract management.
>> >
>> > P.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Volker Mische
>> <volker.mische at gmail.com <mailto:volker.mische at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> Hi Paul,
>> >>
>> >> This sounds like a good idea. Is the software you used still
>> there, or
>> >> do we need to build our own?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Volker
>> >>
>> >> Paul Ramsey wrote:
>> >>> I gave people a list of everything, in random order, with the
>> ability
>> >>> so sub-set it with a keyword search. So if they wanted, the
>> could vote
>> >>> on only PostGIS things, and if they started from the top and worked
>> >>> down then got tired, we'd still get a randomly distributed set of
>> >>> preferences.
>> >>>
>> >>> P.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Volker Mische
>> <volker.mische at gmail.com <mailto:volker.mische at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>> Hi All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I like to keep the effort as minimal as possible. Therefore I
>> would say
>> >>>> solution 2+3.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I see no problem if everyone who wants to submit a
>> workshop/abstract has
>> >>>> to register. It takes 5min for everyone, and all of them should be
>> >>>> capable of registering at a website. And it would save our time
>> to find
>> >>>> a workaround with a dummy user.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess for the voting we need to get it somehow out of the
>> database,
>> >>>> but this should be a matter of a small script.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One open question for me is: What do we use for voting. I like
>> >>>> http://www.ideatorrent.org/. The problem is that once a
>> workshop is in
>> >>>> the "top 10" it's likely that people just vote for those at the
>> top, and
>> >>>> not the ones at the bottom.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Volker
>> >>>>
>> >>>> mapbutcher wrote:
>> >>>>> Folks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've begun to configure the 2009 OCS conference pages on the OCS
>> >>>>> instance on the OSGeo box. If you don't already have an
>> account it may
>> >>>>> be an idea to create one:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://conference.osgeo.org/index.php/foss4g/2009/user/account
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Volker, Shoaib - any preference on which way we should go
>> based upon my
>> >>>>> earlier email?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Simon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2009/1/5 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Copying to the foss4g2009 email list for archiving.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Lorenzo Becchi wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Simon, thank you to include me in this list.
>> >>>>> I would suggest to use a mailing list to go on with this
>> >>>>> conversation because it is important to have it
>> archived, IMO.
>> >>>>> another thing I would like to suggest is the use of a
>> wiki page,
>> >>>>> you've made so many important questions that it is
>> normal that
>> >>>>> you will receive an answer at the time, if you're
>> lucky ;-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> my experience with OCS is still very limited, I've
>> just set up
>> >>>>> an instance [1] to practice. The instalation is pretty
>> easy if
>> >>>>> you don't have safe_mode php (I do).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've started a private conversation with Tyler about
>> part of
>> >>>>> your questions and he has discovered interesting
>> features that I
>> >>>>> guess he will comment to everybody.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll check out the few answers I can maybe give while
>> we decide
>> >>>>> if it's worth to move the conversation to foss4g2009
>> mailing list.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ciao
>> >>>>> Lorenzo
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [1] http://foss4g2010.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> mapbutcher wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> All, (Lorenzo cc'd because of your recent emails to
>> >>>>> OSGeo-conf, Gavin your experience of OCS in 2008
>> may help
>> >>>>> shape our choice of scenario?)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We need to 'integrate' the current site
>> >>>>> (http:.//2009.foss4g.org/
>> <http://2009.foss4g.org/> <http://2009.foss4g.org/>
>> >>>>> <http://2009.foss4g.org/>) with OCS for 2009. We
>> need to
>> >>>>> have these processes handled:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. Workshop submission (2nd February 2009 Call for
>> >>>>> workshops open)
>> >>>>> 2. Abstract submission (9th March 2009 Call for
>> abstracts
>> >>>>> open)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've purposefully not discussed here the
>> presentation of the
>> >>>>> conference programme on the website as i feel this
>> adds a
>> >>>>> layer of complexity to the integration which we should
>> >>>>> handle separately. Instead I suggest we work on this
>> >>>>> separate from the submission process - any
>> feelings on
>> >>>>> this? Given the time frames I'd like to suggest the
>> >>>>> following - I'm open to other scenarios but
>> please consider
>> >>>>> our time frame:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Scenario 1 - Partial Integration
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> a) We develop a workshop proposal and abstract
>> submission
>> >>>>> page external from OCS for the current site
>> >>>>> (http://2009.foss4g.org/).
>> >>>>> b) Ideally it would be preferable if these pages
>> do not
>> >>>>> require authorisation to make the process of
>> submission
>> >>>>> simple (If possible? - see clarification questions
>> below)
>> >>>>> c) Submissions are made directly into the OCS
>> database via
>> >>>>> an OCS API (If possible? - see clarification
>> questions below)
>> >>>>> d) Submissions are reviewed internally by OC using
>> OCS (If
>> >>>>> possible? - see clarification questions below)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Scenario 2 - OCS
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> a) We link a new submission page on the current
>> site to
>> >>>>> OSGeo OCS instance (ideally the most obvious entry
>> point -
>> >>>>> i.e. register, submission but not just OCS home)
>> >>>>> b) We use what css capability in OCS to make these
>> sites
>> >>>>> 'appear as one'
>> >>>>> c) Workshop proposals are put through as
>> submissions in OCS
>> >>>>> under a 'workshop' track
>> >>>>> d) We follow the OCS work flows for review
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Scenario 3 - OCS and Review through current site
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> a) We follow scenario 1 or 2 (probably 2) above until
>> >>>>> submission is complete
>> >>>>> b) We provide visibility onto OCS data from the
>> current site
>> >>>>> for the following (both of these we develop
>> outside of OCS):
>> >>>>> i) Workshop and Presentation Open Vote
>> >>>>> ii)Online Programme
>> >>>>> From a practical point of view we have limited
>> time &
>> >>>>> resources. Granted OCS has cosmetic issues as well
>> as having
>> >>>>> a rather rigid work flow but it brings a certain
>> amount to
>> >>>>> the table which we may not have the resources to
>> replicate
>> >>>>> in time for the workshop and abstract submission
>> opening.
>> >>>>> Personally I cannot throw much time at this in
>> January,
>> >>>>> Shoaib & Volker what is your availability? Given
>> this my
>> >>>>> preference would be Scenario 3 with the following
>> outline
>> >>>>> approach:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. Create 2009 Conference in OCS on OSGeo box (easy)
>> >>>>> 2. Configure the necessary parts for submissions
>> (more time
>> >>>>> consuming, but not tricky)
>> >>>>> 3. Set up styles(again a bit time consuming)
>> >>>>> 4. Test submission work flow
>> >>>>> 5. Create registration page on 2009.foss4g outlining
>> >>>>> submission
>> >>>>> work flow and with links into OCS
>> >>>>> 6. Begin to develop a workshop and presentation
>> open vote
>> >>>>> page\backend for 2009.foss4g
>> >>>>> 7. Begin to develop a programme page\backend for
>> 2009.foss4g
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Below are some clarification questions that Shoaib
>> and I
>> >>>>> discussed when we met in December which some
>> people may be
>> >>>>> able to answer
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. What version of OCS is OSGeo using currently?
>> >>>>> 2. What backend does OSGeo use for OCS?
>> >>>>> 3. Does OCS allow abstracts once reviewed and
>> approved to be
>> >>>>> 'assigned' to a time slot in the programme?
>> >>>>> 4. OCS does not support 'workshop' proposal
>> submission is this
>> >>>>> correct? i.e. it only supports abstract
>> submission
>> >>>>> 5. What information do we need to gather as part
>> of workshop
>> >>>>> submissions?
>> >>>>> 6. Does OCS support ATOM/RSS and iCal feed creation
>> >>>>> 7. Does OCS allow the program to be displayed on
>> a website
>> >>>>> in the
>> >>>>> form of a calender, my understanding is that
>> OCS only
>> >>>>> displays a
>> >>>>> conference program as a list?
>> >>>>> 8. Does OCS have support for conference
>> Streams/Themes? if
>> >>>>> so does
>> >>>>> if allow Abstracts and Workshops to be
>> assigned to
>> >>>>> Themes? My
>> >>>>> understanding is that OCS uses 'Tracks' to do
>> this?
>> >>>>> 9. Does OCS have an API to submit abstracts so
>> the we can
>> >>>>> call it
>> >>>>> directly from the foss4g website without
>> having to
>> >>>>> transition to
>> >>>>> another site. e.g. can we setup the abstract
>> submission
>> >>>>> form on
>> >>>>> FOSS4G that calls the OCS with an HTTP Post
>> request. My
>> >>>>> understanding is that there isn't an API and
>> there are
>> >>>>> some very
>> >>>>> basic import mechanisms
>> >>>>> 10. How does OCS support email notification of
>> >>>>> proposal/abstract
>> >>>>> submission & approval?
>> >>>>> 11. Does OCS require every user to login with the
>> correct
>> >>>>> roles or
>> >>>>> can we by-pass this requirement to simplify
>> the the
>> >>>>> abstract/workshop submission? e.g. will this
>> require a
>> >>>>> proxy user?
>> >>>>> 12. If we submit Abstract/Workshops to the back end
>> >>>>> directly (by
>> >>>>> passing OCS) can OCS still be used to review and
>> >>>>> approve them?
>> >>>>> 13. How hard is it to change the theme and layout
>> of the OCS
>> >>>>> webpages so that the transition between the
>> foss4g site
>> >>>>> and OCS
>> >>>>> is as smooth as possible
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We need to begin to move on this ASAP so if we can
>> gather
>> >>>>> feedback, preferences etc by 8th Dec:
>> >>>>>
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>
>> >>>>>
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>>
>> >>>>>
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>
>> >>>>>
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=8&month=1&year=2009&hour=12&min=0&sec=0&p1=240>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cameron can we take a decision on the way forward
>> thereafter?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Simon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Cameron Shorter
>> >>>>> Geospatial Systems Architect
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>> >>>>> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>>
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