[FOSS4G2016] "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student Competitions
Daniel Kastl
daniel at georepublic.de
Wed Sep 30 16:13:40 PDT 2015
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Hi Suchith,
Probably I didn't get the whole story, so sorry if it was said before.
I'm wondering why this award should have "MapStory" in the name. It
will be an award for students, so one requirement will be, that only
students can participate. But if you name it "Geo4All - MapStory
Challenge" everybody will understand that you must use MapStory.
You wouldn't call it the next year "Geo4All - PostGIS Challenge" for
instance, would you? Even if it had an OSGeo project in the name it
would be discriminating against others.
So I understand Jeff's point. And I think there is a really simple
solution by just naming it "Geo4All Challenge 2016" without
highlighting any particular project and leave this up to the students
to be creative. Nobody wants to exclude MapStory from being used in
the challenge. It's just about the naming of the challenge.
Best,
Daniel
On 01/10/15 04:38, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> People are taking my words wrong, I never said anything about
> presentations, workshops, or keynotes. My messages were about the
> final plenary student awards and was trying to let GeoForAll know.
> To me, getting students to use OSGeo projects is key to the growth
> of the foundation.
>
> I will step back, as Gert-Jan said, it is in their hands.
>
> But maybe later remember that I care, and mean well, as yes the
> things I said in my messages about how we need to learn from past
> student awards sessions is real, and we can learn from that for
> future FOSS4Gs.
>
> I will work on the liability issue with the OSGeo Board and get
> back to Till directly.
>
> But hey, as I often say, "carry-on", with a big smile :)
>
> Thank you all.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-30 4:14 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>> For me , OSGeo and FOSS4G represents Openness and welcome to
>> everyone who follows the ideals. If we want to truly expand
>> Geoeducation then please welcome and support other initiatives
>> into OSGeo and FOSS4G and not look down at them (just because
>> they are not OSGeo projects). FOSS4G (both global and regional)
>> are opportunities for us to show our true open spirit to the
>> wider world.
>>
>> I really hope we have a broader view and are open to
>> presentations and workshops from all in the open geo world (not
>> just OSGeo projects).
>>
>> This is the kind of spirit that we need , if we truly want to
>> expand geoeducation opportunities for all.
>>
>> Thank you for your understanding.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Suchith
>>
>> ________________________________________ From:
>> foss4g2016-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> [foss4g2016-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Gert-Jan van
>> der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl [gert-jan at osgeo.nl] Sent:
>> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 7:33 PM To: 'Jeff McKenna'; 'list'
>> Cc: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org Subject: Re: [FOSS4G2016]
>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student
>> Competitions
>>
>> Hi Jeff and fellow 2016-LOC-ers,
>>
>> I am a bit surprised by the mood as well as the message in this
>> mail. Let's see if we can make things clear (at least for me):
>>
>> First: opinion. I think Suchith and Till made a fine arrangement
>> ("if anything we do would be that easy", Till wrote) on this with
>> a clear separation between an OSGeo award and other awards.
>> That's just my 2 cents.
>>
>> Second: extent. One can easily extend your logic by applying it
>> to the entire FOSS4G programme: it's OSgeo flagship, so only
>> presentations and workshops on OSGeo projects can enter the
>> FOSS4G stage. I really do hope that OSGeo has a broader view, and
>> remains open to other FOSS4G developments as well.
>>
>> Third: process. I understood (at a BoF we had in Como) it's up to
>> the LOC to decide what is, and what is not included in FOSS4G's
>> programme. Of course all opinions -as yours stated hereby- are
>> taken into account, but in the end it's the LOC decision. If I'm
>> wrong in my assumption, please let me know.
>>
>> (one reason I'm reacting on this subject is the fact that Marc
>> Vloemans, Till and I are discussing the FOSS4G marketing plans
>> next Friday. therefore good to know who gives advices, and who
>> makes the final decisions. The other reason is I'm currently
>> involved in the Dutch general geospatial congress "GeoBuzz",
>> under which umbrella the 4th annual "OSGeo.nl day" takes place
>> (nov 25th). This Geobuzz congress has too many organisations at
>> the steering wheel, which consumes a lot of time & energy)
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards from behind the windmills ,
>>
>>
>> Gert-Jan (just call me GJ, that's easier)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van:
>> foss4g2016-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> [mailto:foss4g2016-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Namens Jeff McKenna
>> Verzonden: woensdag 30 september 2015 19:07 Aan: list CC:
>> ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org Onderwerp: Re: [FOSS4G2016]
>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student
>> Competitions
>>
>> For FOSS4G-Bonn, OSGeo's flagship event, it should be very clear
>> that we are promoting OSGeo's projects (over 20 projects and also
>> 10 incubating projects) to be used for all student awards, as a
>> base. As I realize the ultra importance of students to the
>> foundation's future, students should be encouraged to use the
>> OSGeo stack (yes that especially includes the incubating
>> projects, who are in fact starving/craving for help with building
>> their community) in their projects. Therefore, the awards
>> should be named the "GeoForAll Challenge", or come up with a
>> name that includes the other communities of OSGeo, ICA and
>> ISPRS.
>>
>> The global FOSS4G event is hosted by OSGeo (we will sign
>> liability, we will provide advance money), and we must, must help
>> build and promote the OSGeo projects under the foundation's
>> umbrella.
>>
>> In terms of regional FOSS4Gs, of course you are free to use any
>> software base for your student competitions; but the annual
>> FOSS4G is different, here the plenary room is filled with OSGeo
>> community developers and leaders, and yes let's show them how
>> students have impressively used their software :) It is win-win.
>>
>> Can you misinterpret my strong words, as "hating" other
>> communities? You can, but please do not. I am here to remind
>> GeoForAll that the global FOSS4G event is hosted by OSGeo, and to
>> please use this opportunity to promote OSGeo projects in your
>> student awards.
>>
>> Can a student do a project using PostGIS, MapServer, and Leaflet
>> (not an OSGeo project), of course, that's encouraged! But at the
>> global FOSS4G we should not be naming student awards for software
>> not part of OSGeo. I am sorry if that is too strong.
>>
>> I have received feedback from so many people (I've said all that
>> in a previous message to Suchith) on past student awards at past
>> FOSS4Gs. Well, since this is about 2016, here we can change
>> that.
>>
>> If you/GeoForAll/anyone disagrees with me, well, please discuss
>> this, and possibly take this issue (of not promoting OSGeo
>> projects in student awards at the global FOSS4G) to the OSGeo
>> Conference Committee (they have a great team of volunteers there
>> to help you), or you can bring this issue to the OSGeo Board,
>> where I only have a single vote and there are 8 other wonderful
>> directors to listen to your concerns.
>>
>> Thanks for listening,
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-09-30 12:32 PM, till.adams at fossgis.de wrote:
>>> Hi Suchith,
>>>
>>> perfect - if anything we do would be that easy ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards, Till
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 2015-09-30 17:26, schrieb Suchith Anand:
>>>> Thanks Till. That is excellent idea. I also see no reason why
>>>> we should limit to only one student competition. So we will
>>>> have an OSGeo award based on OSGeo projects and also awards
>>>> for any additional student competitions.
>>>>
>>>> I will discuss with MapStory colleagues (and i am confident
>>>> we will be able to find a sponsor for the "Geo4All-MapStory
>>>> Challenge" ).
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Suchith ________________________________________ From:
>>>> till.adams at fossgis.de [till.adams at fossgis.de] Sent:
>>>> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:20 PM To: Suchith Anand Cc:
>>>> Jeff McKenna; Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker; Jonathan
>>>> Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato;
>>>> Charles Schweik; Nikos Lambrinos; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX);
>>>> list Subject: RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G
>>>> 2016 Student Competitions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Suchith,
>>>>>
>>>>> The main principle for Geo4All is Openness in
>>>>> GeoEducation. So we will follow up this idea in Geo4All. We
>>>>> can make this an "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" ; (not for
>>>>> the main FOSS4G conference) but for some other
>>>>> opportunities in the future . I will discuss ideas for
>>>>> that in the Geo4All lists and get everyone's inputs/ideas
>>>>> on how we can make that happen.
>>>>
>>>> why not including that award also into the FOSS4G as well? In
>>>> Seoul there have been two student awards and I do not see a
>>>> problem for this at all. All i wanted to, is to make sure,
>>>> that we have an OSgeo award based on OSGeo projects on the
>>>> conference, and I guess that is, what Jeff also supports.
>>>>
>>>> Till
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Suchith ________________________________________ From:
>>>>> till.adams at fossgis.de [till.adams at fossgis.de] Sent:
>>>>> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 3:33 PM To: Jeff McKenna Cc:
>>>>> Suchith Anand; Christopher Tucker; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato; Charles
>>>>> Schweik; Nikos Lambrinos; Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); list
>>>>> Subject: Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016
>>>>> Student Competitions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I follow Jeffs argumentation, I didn't check for the
>>>>> license of MapStory. In general it is like Jeff told: If
>>>>> this is an OSGeo event, at least for the OSgeo award (and I
>>>>> do not see any alternative on that) should follow OSGeo
>>>>> guidelines.
>>>>>
>>>>> So in general I stand also and support an OSgeo student
>>>>> award based on OSGeo projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is another award (like in Seoul there was) which
>>>>> is paid by someone else, the guidelines might be
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>> (and I added the f4g 2016 local team list in the "CC's")
>>>>>
>>>>> Till
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 2015-09-29 21:39, schrieb Jeff McKenna:
>>>>>> OSGeo has about 10 projects in incubation, actually
>>>>>> craving for attention, publicity, help, to build their
>>>>>> community, plus over 20 full OSGeo projects also wanting
>>>>>> to continue building their strong communities. If we are
>>>>>> speaking of FOSS4G regional events, that are actually not
>>>>>> hosted by OSGeo, of course, please do promote any
>>>>>> software, but since this original message was in regards
>>>>>> to FOSS4G 2016 and sent directly to Till, the chair, yes
>>>>>> I must make a stand, for all of our projects in
>>>>>> incubation and under our umbrella - the student awards
>>>>>> are a perfect place to promote our projects, as I've said
>>>>>> before, as students are the future of the industry.
>>>>>> Getting students using these projects is one of the keys
>>>>>> to success for our community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this thread now moves to the public lists, where
>>>>>> you can share my thoughts as-is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone has thoughts that I am not open to other
>>>>>> communities: I go out of my way to accept other
>>>>>> communities and projects (I even worked with Esri
>>>>>> developers as part of a past FOSS4G benchmarking
>>>>>> exercise in 2009). But for the closing plenary of our
>>>>>> big event, the eyes of OSGeo are on us, and yes we must
>>>>>> promote our community's software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realize that I may be the only one making this stand.
>>>>>> But, as OSGeo President, as a founding co-chair of
>>>>>> GeoForAll, as one of the 3 founders of FOSS4G, I hope you
>>>>>> listen to my opinion and then discuss this with the
>>>>>> GeoForAll community (talking is important). Decisions
>>>>>> like this might seem minor, but impact a lot of people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jeff McKenna President, OSGeo
>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2015-09-29 3:54 PM, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Suchith,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is unfortunate that you suggest removing OSGeo's
>>>>>>> sponsorship, very drastic. I also never mentioned any
>>>>>>> project by name. I did however request that you follow
>>>>>>> these guidelines for future FOSS4G events. It is
>>>>>>> unfortunate that you disagree. In that case, please do
>>>>>>> bring this discussion public (it should not be a
>>>>>>> private thread with just me defending OSGeo in its own
>>>>>>> conference).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can tell you that I get feedback (imagine in the
>>>>>>> closing plenary of FOSSS4G, in a big room filled with
>>>>>>> OSGeo project leads and developers) and then seeing
>>>>>>> software that is not truly Open Source and OSGeo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are lots of conferences and events, but FOSS4G is
>>>>>>> hosted by OSGeo, and we must promote our projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do bring this to the public list. You can leave
>>>>>>> all of my words as-is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2015-09-29 3:48 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apologies if i did not correctly understand
>>>>>>>> correctly. My humble opinion is that we have to be
>>>>>>>> Open minded NOT narrow minded in terms of education.
>>>>>>>> I cannot understand why MapStory platform cannot be
>>>>>>>> used for running a student competition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From what i understand, MapStory is an openly
>>>>>>>>> licensed data commons, an Open Educational
>>>>>>>>> Resource, that is OGC compliant, built on open
>>>>>>>>> source geo http://www.GeoNode.org. It is intended
>>>>>>>>> explicitly for students to be able to organize and
>>>>>>>>> share what they know about the world spatially and
>>>>>>>>> temporally.This is exactly the kind of spatial
>>>>>>>>> learning platform we need for expanding
>>>>>>>>> geoeducation for schools. Just because it is not an
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo project does not mean it should be not be
>>>>>>>>> used. The main principle we need to look into is
>>>>>>>>> Openness in GeoEducation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We should support and make use ofMapStory.org , as an
>>>>>>>> alternative to proprietary ones like ArcGISOnline, so
>>>>>>>> that students and teachers can make use of this for
>>>>>>>> learning purposes without being dependent on the
>>>>>>>> mercy of the proprietary vendor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For me , OSGeo represents Openness and welcome to
>>>>>>>> everyone who follows the ideals. If we want to truly
>>>>>>>> expand Geoeducation then please welcome and support
>>>>>>>> other initiatives into OSGeo and not look down at
>>>>>>>> them (just because they are not OSGeo projects).
>>>>>>>> This is the kind of spirit that we need , if we truly
>>>>>>>> want to expand geoeducation opportunities for all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you think the 1k USD sponsorship for student
>>>>>>>> awards is the issue, then no problem , we can try to
>>>>>>>> find another sponsor who will be open minded to
>>>>>>>> support this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ From: Jeff
>>>>>>>> McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com] Sent:
>>>>>>>> Tuesday, September 29, 2015 6:42 PM To: Suchith
>>>>>>>> Anand; till.adams at fossgis.de Cc: Christopher Tucker;
>>>>>>>> Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron
>>>>>>>> C Fortunato; Charles Schweik; Nikos Lambrinos; Hogan,
>>>>>>>> Patrick (ARC-PX) Subject: Re: "Geo4All - MapStory
>>>>>>>> Challenge" - FOSS4G 2016 Student Competitions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Suchith, Till, all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think if we are speaking openly now, we should
>>>>>>>> always remember that the global FOSS4G is hosted by
>>>>>>>> the OSGeo foundation; in that sense, I feel that it
>>>>>>>> is extremely important to showcase the OSGeo
>>>>>>>> software projects, and yes, especially to the
>>>>>>>> students. What I saw at some past FOSS4G events was
>>>>>>>> student competitions based around other software
>>>>>>>> (software that has nothing to do with OSGeo's event
>>>>>>>> in fact, and arguably software that is not even truly
>>>>>>>> Open Source).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In terms of branding, this is a small detail but if
>>>>>>>> we follow this, this helps expand the name OSGeo,
>>>>>>>> point out our strong standards and benefits of being
>>>>>>>> a part of the OSGeo community, and helps the
>>>>>>>> foundation grow globally.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This could also be a great time to discuss these
>>>>>>>> other projects that you like to promote to enter into
>>>>>>>> the OSGeo umbrella, through our incubation process.
>>>>>>>> There is a whole team of volunteers willing to help
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I hope we can always keep this in mind, for each
>>>>>>>> and every FOSS4G event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Jeff McKenna President, OSGeo
>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015-09-29 2:32 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Till,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to start putting our ideas for the
>>>>>>>>> Student competition for FOSS4G 2016. You can get
>>>>>>>>> some ideas of our thinking based on our discussions
>>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our thinking is to organise the Student
>>>>>>>>> competitions for FOSS4G global conference using the
>>>>>>>>> MapStory platform as it will be excellent tool for
>>>>>>>>> widening participation (esp. to school level). The
>>>>>>>>> biggest advantage of using MapStory platform in
>>>>>>>>> addition to its openness is also the simplicity. So
>>>>>>>>> schools with very little resources even in
>>>>>>>>> developing countries can also participate (all they
>>>>>>>>> need is an internet connected PC ).Having Geo4All
>>>>>>>>> MapStory Challenge put in place, which we can aim
>>>>>>>>> to run every year at FOSS4G main conference will be
>>>>>>>>> excellent for spreading the message and building up
>>>>>>>>> global momentum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Based on feedbacks from the community, Geo4All will
>>>>>>>>> do the background work of the competition (in close
>>>>>>>>> links with the LOC and MapStory Foundation).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With MapStory Challenge , we can now open up new
>>>>>>>>> opportunities for high school level students and
>>>>>>>>> their teachers to also participate in the Student
>>>>>>>>> competitions at the main FOSS4G conference. Also
>>>>>>>>> MapStory is a good example of spatial learning
>>>>>>>>> platform we want to encourage for expanding
>>>>>>>>> geoeducation for schools as an alternative to
>>>>>>>>> proprietary ones and having a dedicated competition
>>>>>>>>> will be big boost for our efforts. We will need lot
>>>>>>>>> of efforts to get a good system in place for the
>>>>>>>>> competition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also to make it clear - We have only small budget
>>>>>>>>> (maximum 1000 USD ) from the OSGeo Foundation for
>>>>>>>>> the Student Awards . Maybe some others might join
>>>>>>>>> in (like in Seoul, though we cannot confirm as of
>>>>>>>>> now) BUT we are very lucky to have a dedicated team
>>>>>>>>> of amazing people who will help us make this
>>>>>>>>> possible including support from Chris Tucker of
>>>>>>>>> MapStory Foundation for providing the competition
>>>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We look forward to your ideas/inputs on how we can
>>>>>>>>> move forward.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov]
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2015 4:39 AM *To:*
>>>>>>>>> Charles Schweik; Nikos Lambrinos *Cc:* Christopher
>>>>>>>>> Tucker; Suchith Anand; Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta
>>>>>>>>> Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato *Subject:*
>>>>>>>>> RE: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nikos and Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Howdy! I just wanted to chime in with what Charlie
>>>>>>>>> has to say. It is very encouraging to hear the
>>>>>>>>> words of Nikos and sense the level of dedication
>>>>>>>>> and commitment to excellence. We often feel
>>>>>>>>> ourselves as very lonely peaceful warriors for a
>>>>>>>>> better world, but in fact there are many pressing
>>>>>>>>> forward with all their might, so that the future
>>>>>>>>> might be better for all. Without a better future,
>>>>>>>>> there is none. We must all be as informed as
>>>>>>>>> possible as to the state of our world. This is
>>>>>>>>> greatly helped if we can share our story, and it
>>>>>>>>> should feel good to share, or if not good, at least
>>>>>>>>> feel like we are helping truth to be more visible.
>>>>>>>>> A life with purpose is a full one that reverberates
>>>>>>>>> deeply in the sweetest possible way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:*Charles Schweik
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu] *Sent:*
>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:20 AM *To:* Nikos
>>>>>>>>> Lambrinos *Cc:* Christopher Tucker; Suchith Anand;
>>>>>>>>> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX); Jonathan Marino; Elżbieta
>>>>>>>>> Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Ron C Fortunato *Subject:*
>>>>>>>>> Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Inspiring Nikos, and thank you for your amazing
>>>>>>>>> commitment. I know I was thinking of you (even
>>>>>>>>> though we haven't met in person) during those tough
>>>>>>>>> days this summer with your country's financial
>>>>>>>>> issues and hope things become better!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One thing we can do is continue to work in small
>>>>>>>>> subteams toward going after funding and then keep
>>>>>>>>> trying to leverage those collaborative ideas in
>>>>>>>>> other funding opportunities. A sort of hybrid open
>>>>>>>>> source grant-getting I guess, between subsets of
>>>>>>>>> our community members with shared visions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 2:03 PM,
>>>>>>>>> <labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read all this discussion which is very
>>>>>>>>> interesting. I would like to add my experience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In general I agree with Patrick because in our
>>>>>>>>> times nothing is easy to done without funding. Yes,
>>>>>>>>> not easy but not impossible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When, three years ago, I applied for the
>>>>>>>>> establishment of the Hellenic digital earth Centre
>>>>>>>>> of Excellence I was asked who is going to finance
>>>>>>>>> the Centre. I said, no one. They couldn't believe
>>>>>>>>> that it will work. I said that it will be supported
>>>>>>>>> by volunteers. And, if it works then it will be
>>>>>>>>> great, if it doesn't then we have nothing to lose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After three years the Centre has a lot of
>>>>>>>>> activities to show, lot of seminars and workshops,
>>>>>>>>> and lot of teaching materials for the teachers and
>>>>>>>>> students. The only problem is that we can't do
>>>>>>>>> things quickly. I have spent a lot of money from my
>>>>>>>>> pocket and I will keep spending until the Centre
>>>>>>>>> gets funding. I am not going to quit. Everything
>>>>>>>>> would be easier if the Centre was funded (I have
>>>>>>>>> tried it but haven't succeeded yet due to the
>>>>>>>>> financial crisis in Greece) but me and my
>>>>>>>>> colleagues will keep working for the Centre.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is the spirit. Don't lose your courage.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wishes to all wonderful people of the network
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nikos
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Dr. Nikos Lambrinos
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Associate Professor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Primary Education
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greece, GR-54124
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tel. +30 2310 991201
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web pages:
>>>>>>>>> _http://labrinos.webpages.auth.gr/digital_geography/_
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
_http://www.digital-earth.edu.gr/_
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:*Christopher Tucker [mailto:christopher.tucker at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:christopher.tucker at gmail.com>] *Sent:*
>>>>>>>>> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:56 PM *To:* Suchith
>>>>>>>>> Anand *Cc:* Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX);
>>>>>>>>> labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>) *Subject:* Re:
>>>>>>>>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really appreciate what Patrick is trying to
>>>>>>>>> communicate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a "startup guy" who has started up a number of
>>>>>>>>> things, I appreciate his characterization of what
>>>>>>>>> it takes to succeed without a large purse! - "a
>>>>>>>>> combination of a ridiculous amount of politicking,
>>>>>>>>> sorcery, favors, friendships, good luck, and just
>>>>>>>>> plain stupendous investment of work, blue-collar,
>>>>>>>>> grass-root, white-collar, directorial work, then
>>>>>>>>> more work." !!!! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question to Patrick is "what is the minimum
>>>>>>>>> purse size to get the attention of the vast
>>>>>>>>> majority of our target population. $10k might be
>>>>>>>>> feasible. $250k would not be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I share your (Suchith) enthusiasm, and am happy to
>>>>>>>>> move forward without a huge purse, just to get the
>>>>>>>>> word out, without any illusions that we will get
>>>>>>>>> the response that a large purse would enable.
>>>>>>>>> Patrick, I believe is spot on. But, alas, starting
>>>>>>>>> things up is a painful process that startup folks
>>>>>>>>> have to embrace! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Christopher K Tucker Chairman of the Board of
>>>>>>>>> Trustees The MapStory Foundation @MapStory
>>>>>>>>> tucker at mapstory.org <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>
>>>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know it is hard work but if we want to expand
>>>>>>>>> geoeducation using Open principles to schools
>>>>>>>>> globally , i see this as a great opportunity
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is suggest is if MapStory Foundation (Chris,
>>>>>>>>> Jon) are happy to do what Maria Brovelli and
>>>>>>>>> Politecnico di Milano did for Europa challenge then
>>>>>>>>> that is a good starting point. More importantly,
>>>>>>>>> the competion will help spread wide awareness among
>>>>>>>>> teacher community worldwide that there is an
>>>>>>>>> alternative to ArcGIS Online and they can freely
>>>>>>>>> make use of MapStory if they want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We will request all our labs to send the info. out
>>>>>>>>> to their students, so even if we get 20 labs to
>>>>>>>>> participate in the first year it is a good start.
>>>>>>>>> Because the entry level is low (they do not even
>>>>>>>>> need to be programmers!) we will have more
>>>>>>>>> participation. Slowly based on experience we will
>>>>>>>>> build upon it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris - what do you think? Will you be able to
>>>>>>>>> provide background support for this competition?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:*Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>] *Sent:* Wednesday,
>>>>>>>>> September 16, 2015 3:54 AM *To:* Suchith Anand;
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Tucker *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>) *Subject:* RE:
>>>>>>>>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need the cold trout treatment, one good whack
>>>>>>>>> upside the head! $1,000 is peanuts. It's a
>>>>>>>>> financial fig-leaf. A very nice gesture but not
>>>>>>>>> anything that will drive interest. Nor will
>>>>>>>>> judging panels **unless** they are 'required' to
>>>>>>>>> find contestant teams. And yes, good ones are hard
>>>>>>>>> to find, even without them working to generate
>>>>>>>>> contestant teams. I am just trying to let you know,
>>>>>>>>> that the level of activity to generate ''real'
>>>>>>>>> tangible interest is a combination of a ridiculous
>>>>>>>>> amount of politicking, sorcery, favors,
>>>>>>>>> friendships, good luck, and just plain stupendous
>>>>>>>>> investment of work, blue-collar, grass-root,
>>>>>>>>> white-collar, directorial work, then more work. Do
>>>>>>>>> not be fooled that a good idea gets a good
>>>>>>>>> following. You will need to pound the bushes long
>>>>>>>>> and hard. I'm trying to sober you up now rather
>>>>>>>>> than have you face disappointment later. And I
>>>>>>>>> would love to be completely off-base here. Just
>>>>>>>>> giving you a bit of voice from my three-year
>>>>>>>>> experience. And without Prof Maria Brovelli and
>>>>>>>>> Politecnico di Milano at Como, we would have never
>>>>>>>>> even gotten off the ground!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (650) 604-5656 <tel:%28650%29%20604-5656> (office)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (650) 269-2788 <tel:%28650%29%20269-2788> (cell)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk] *Sent:*
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:22 PM *To:* Hogan,
>>>>>>>>> Patrick (ARC-PX); Suchith Anand; Christopher
>>>>>>>>> Tucker *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>) *Subject:* RE:
>>>>>>>>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, i now understand . True, we do not have a big
>>>>>>>>> purse but atleast we can start with the 1000USD
>>>>>>>>> that we have from OSGeo. I can also send requests
>>>>>>>>> to ICA and ISPRS to contribute. But you are
>>>>>>>>> absolutely right, this is something we need to
>>>>>>>>> think of how to attract more participation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But IMHO , more than the prize money, it is also
>>>>>>>>> getting the judging panels, infrastucture etc in
>>>>>>>>> place that is hard work. With MapStory platform in
>>>>>>>>> place (and we will need to get bit of help from
>>>>>>>>> Chris, Jon to setup a dedicated website and
>>>>>>>>> introductory tutorial links, instructions to
>>>>>>>>> teachers, participants etc) we are well placed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:*Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>] *Sent:* Wednesday,
>>>>>>>>> September 16, 2015 3:10 AM *To:* Suchith Anand;
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Tucker *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>) *Subject:* RE:
>>>>>>>>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's what I am trying to inform you of. You can
>>>>>>>>> promote it worldwide and with plenty of chutzpah,
>>>>>>>>> but without a big purse ($$$), you just don't get
>>>>>>>>> traction. Without a big purse (which attracts too
>>>>>>>>> many teams to judge on this scale anyway, you need
>>>>>>>>> to actually find the teams directly (I mean
>>>>>>>>> **directly**), then encourage others accordingly
>>>>>>>>> (*directly*). I'd like to be wrong or at least rich
>>>>>>>>> so I could help more with the ($$$). But I am just
>>>>>>>>> letting you know, it's not a **promote it** and
>>>>>>>>> they will come' kind of success story. You need to
>>>>>>>>> fight it hand-to-hand down in the "mud, blood and
>>>>>>>>> beer" (from 'A Boy Named Sue' by Johnny Cash).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk] *Sent:*
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, September 15, 2015 6:58 PM *To:* Hogan,
>>>>>>>>> Patrick (ARC-PX); Suchith Anand; Christopher
>>>>>>>>> Tucker *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>) *Subject:* RE:
>>>>>>>>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Patrick, We have to put lot of efforts to get
>>>>>>>>> prospective teams to apply but i am confident if we
>>>>>>>>> plan the MapStory competition and work hard to get
>>>>>>>>> it launched at Geography2050 and promote it
>>>>>>>>> through all our networks (ICA, OSGeo, ISPRS etc) ,
>>>>>>>>> we will get good response. The Barbara Petchenik
>>>>>>>>> Competition map drawing competition for children
>>>>>>>>> run by ICA is an excellent example that we should
>>>>>>>>> look into . The aim of the contest is to promote
>>>>>>>>> the creative representation of the world in graphic
>>>>>>>>> form by children. Details are at
>>>>>>>>> http://icaci.org/petchenik/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With MapStory Challenge , we can now open up new
>>>>>>>>> opportunities for high school level students and
>>>>>>>>> their teachers to also participate in the G4A
>>>>>>>>> Student competitions at the main FOSS4G
>>>>>>>>> conference. Also MapStory is a good example of
>>>>>>>>> spatial learning platform we want to encourage for
>>>>>>>>> expanding geoeducation for schools as an
>>>>>>>>> alternative to proprietary ones and having a
>>>>>>>>> dedicated competition will be big boost for our
>>>>>>>>> efforts. We will need lot of efforts to get a good
>>>>>>>>> system in place for the competition. All
>>>>>>>>> ideas/inputs welcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Europa Challenge as we discussed, we will
>>>>>>>>> expand with Research Data Alliance IGs to setup
>>>>>>>>> G4A-RDA-NASA "Smart City challenge". With Ron's and
>>>>>>>>> Charlie's help i am sure we will be able to expand
>>>>>>>>> this also.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:*Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>] *Sent:* Wednesday,
>>>>>>>>> September 16, 2015 1:59 AM *To:* Suchith Anand;
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Tucker *Cc:* labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>> (cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu>); Ron C
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato (ron at trilliumlearning.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ron at trilliumlearning.com>) *Subject:* RE:
>>>>>>>>> "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I am the 'spiritual brain' of the Europa
>>>>>>>>> Challenge?! There's an oxymoron for you! Or
>>>>>>>>> something quite beyond, yet still adding things up,
>>>>>>>>> a kind of Sufi Astrophysicist or Banking Buddha
>>>>>>>>> (a.k.a. It's a Wonderful Life).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The one thing to know is that it is nowhere near
>>>>>>>>> 'build it and they will come.' You must blow on the
>>>>>>>>> coals round-the-clock with all your might. .
>>>>>>>>> .inquire, nurture, sustain, cajole, threaten and
>>>>>>>>> beg for prospective teams to apply themselves to
>>>>>>>>> the 'worthy' effort.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another thought is to benefit from what Ron
>>>>>>>>> Fortunato is doing with www.aWorldBridge.com
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.aWorldBridge.com>, whether it's the
>>>>>>>>> Global Earthquake Forecast System or the
>>>>>>>>> environmental evaluation work Ron is doing with
>>>>>>>>> Charlie Schweik. Both have lots of tech, plenty of
>>>>>>>>> science and all geospatial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.edlinesites.net/pages/America_Bridge_Project/Europa
_Challenge/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
https://westemthefuture.wordpress.com/summer-2015/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (650) 604-5656 <tel:%28650%29%20604-5656> (office)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (650) 269-2788 <tel:%28650%29%20269-2788> (cell)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk] *Sent:*
>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, September 15, 2015 1:20 PM *To:*
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Tucker; Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> *Cc:*
>>>>>>>>> labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino;
>>>>>>>>> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska; Hogan, Patrick
>>>>>>>>> (ARC-PX) *Subject:* RE: "Geo4All - MapStory
>>>>>>>>> Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Excellent Chris. Let us then plan ideas for this
>>>>>>>>> with Jon and others to make this happen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The good news is we now have the mandate and
>>>>>>>>> opportunity to fully organise the Student
>>>>>>>>> competitions for FOSS4G events (both global and
>>>>>>>>> regional) and i believe competitions build on
>>>>>>>>> MapStory platform will be excellent for widening
>>>>>>>>> participation (esp. to school level).I think the
>>>>>>>>> biggest advantage of using MapStory platform in
>>>>>>>>> addition to its openness is also the simplicity. So
>>>>>>>>> schools with very little resources even in
>>>>>>>>> developing countries canalso participate (all they
>>>>>>>>> need is an internet connected PC )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ela (cc in) is already planning our inputs for
>>>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2016 Bonn and having Geo4All MapStory
>>>>>>>>> Challenge put in place, which we can aim to
>>>>>>>>> runevery year at FOSS4G main conference will be
>>>>>>>>> excellent for spreading the message and building up
>>>>>>>>> global momentum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Patrick (cc in) is the spiritual brain behind the
>>>>>>>>> successful Europa challenge
>>>>>>>>> http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.itI am sure he
>>>>>>>>> will be happy to share any inputs needs from his
>>>>>>>>> experiences andwe canlearn many things from Europa
>>>>>>>>> challenge, for example having student teams to
>>>>>>>>> participate (each team with a teacher and 3-5
>>>>>>>>> students). This will also help us to expand the
>>>>>>>>> Teacher Training activities using MapStory
>>>>>>>>> platform.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Geography2050 will be an excellent platform to
>>>>>>>>> launch this initiative (if you are attending this,
>>>>>>>>> then please use that opportunity to launch this).
>>>>>>>>> This empowerment of teachers and students
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and openness is what we want Geography education to
>>>>>>>>> look in 2050.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PS: Don't worry ,Next time you are at Nottingham, i
>>>>>>>>> will make arrangements so you can be at England's
>>>>>>>>> first pub :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:*Christopher Tucker [tucker at mapstory.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>] *Sent:* Tuesday,
>>>>>>>>> September 15, 2015 7:36 PM *To:*
>>>>>>>>> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> *Cc:*
>>>>>>>>> labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: "Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You rock.What a great idea.Would love to support
>>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am not at the Nottingham meetings.Wish I
>>>>>>>>> were!Last time I was there, I was hoping to go to
>>>>>>>>> England's first pub, but I missed it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would love to move the ball forward on a Geo4All
>>>>>>>>> MapStory Challenge.Let me research how the Europa
>>>>>>>>> Challenge unfolded.I am afraid I did not watch it
>>>>>>>>> closely enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any general input on how we should think about
>>>>>>>>> this?November would be a good timeframe for doing
>>>>>>>>> something.Our relaunched site is coming
>>>>>>>>> imminentlyAnd, we have a few features and bugs
>>>>>>>>> that we hope to clear out by mid-October.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for thinking of us!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Christopher K Tucker Chairman of the Board of
>>>>>>>>> Trustees The MapStory Foundation @MapStory
>>>>>>>>> tucker at mapstory.org <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>
>>>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:*Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> *Date:*
>>>>>>>>> September 15, 2015 at 8:47:54 AM EDT *To:*
>>>>>>>>> Christopher Tucker <tucker at mapstory.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>>, Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> *Cc:*
>>>>>>>>> "labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>"
>>>>>>>>> <labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>>, Jonathan Marino
>>>>>>>>> <marino at mapstory.org <mailto:marino at mapstory.org>>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* *"Geo4All - MapStory Challenge"*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope you are doing well Are you participating in
>>>>>>>>> OGC Nottingham meetings?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will need to plan ideas for more collaborations
>>>>>>>>> forMapStory. From the success of Patrick's Europa
>>>>>>>>> challenge, i am thinking of having a similar
>>>>>>>>> challenge for MapStory
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw details of http://www.geography2050.org
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.geography2050.org/>. May i suggest
>>>>>>>>> that we use this opportunity to launch "Geo4All -
>>>>>>>>> MapStory Challenge" . Geo4All will also be pleased
>>>>>>>>> to be one of the symposium partners for Geography
>>>>>>>>> 2050. What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
*From:*Christopher Tucker [tucker at mapstory.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>] *Sent:* Saturday,
>>>>>>>>> July 04, 2015 1:04 AM *To:* Suchith Anand *Cc:*
>>>>>>>>> labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>; Jonathan Marino
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Paper about FOSS
>>>>>>>>> into geospatial education
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry for my delay.I did not see this email when
>>>>>>>>> it first came across my inbox.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nikos,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, my Greek is not very good! ;-)But,
>>>>>>>>> I did click on some of the links.And, some of them
>>>>>>>>> are clearly about change over time.These are
>>>>>>>>> perfect for MapStory.org <http://mapstory.org/>!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for mapping local history, an early leader in
>>>>>>>>> the MapStory community, Nitin Gadia mapped his
>>>>>>>>> home town, Ames Iowa, building by building and
>>>>>>>>> parcel by parcel from 1862 until
>>>>>>>>> now:http://mapstory.org/maps/475/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He did this in 80 hours of his own time, getting
>>>>>>>>> data from the city, state, and Ames Historical
>>>>>>>>> Society and putting it in to MapStory.In
>>>>>>>>> retrospect, he was sure he could have done the same
>>>>>>>>> in 5 hours.So, he dubbed his effort "MapStory
>>>>>>>>> Local" and put together a cookbook that people
>>>>>>>>> could follow in their home towns.
>>>>>>>>> (http://wiki.mapstory.org/wiki/MapStory_Local,
>>>>>>>>> http://www.thenittygritty.org/mapstorylocal).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, he is not really a GIS guy.Just a reasonably
>>>>>>>>> smart guy who had a goal.So, I think the same thing
>>>>>>>>> could be done by smart high-school kids around the
>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, there are many other cool
>>>>>>>>> spatio-temporal datasets and stories that students
>>>>>>>>> and classes could put together and share as part of
>>>>>>>>> interesting learning experiences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We would be happy to talk if you think there is
>>>>>>>>> any value in MapStory to you and your classes!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know if we can be of help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Christopher K Tucker Chairman of the Board of
>>>>>>>>> Trustees The MapStory Foundation @MapStory
>>>>>>>>> tucker at mapstory.org <mailto:tucker at mapstory.org>
>>>>>>>>> 703-981-9373 <tel:703-981-9373>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:02 PM, Suchith Anand
>>>>>>>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Nikos for sharing this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am ccing Chrisas well, as maybe we can think of
>>>>>>>>> ideas of enabling this "The introduction of GIS and
>>>>>>>>> GPS through local history teaching in primary
>>>>>>>>> school"using MapStory, so that other teachers can
>>>>>>>>> start using the idea for thier teaching.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris - what do you think?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ From:
>>>>>>>>> labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>
>>>>>>>>> [labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr>] Sent: Sunday, June
>>>>>>>>> 21, 2015 5:47 PM To: 'Suchith Anand' Cc:
>>>>>>>>> labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr> Subject: RE:
>>>>>>>>> [Ica-osgeo-labs] Paper about FOSS into geospatial
>>>>>>>>> education
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Suchith,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is exactly what the Hellenic digital earth
>>>>>>>>> Centre of Excellence is doing the last two years.
>>>>>>>>> We use ArcGIS Online in primary schools and the
>>>>>>>>> children have done wonderful job like, tourist
>>>>>>>>> maps of their village etc. You can see these maps
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.digital-earth.edu.gr/index.php/el/newsmodule/2015-0
5-14-20-50-38/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
schoolrelated which is in Greek but you can have an
>>>>>>>>> idea of what we have achieved almost with no cost.
>>>>>>>>> The students have been responding responsibly and
>>>>>>>>> this gives us more courage to continue in the
>>>>>>>>> coming years. Anyone interested in this can
>>>>>>>>> download the article "The introduction of GIS and
>>>>>>>>> GPS through local history teaching in primary
>>>>>>>>> school" from
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.eurogeographyjournal.eu/articles/2.THE%20INTRODUCTI
ON%20OF%20GIS%
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
<http://www.eurogeographyjournal.eu/articles/2.THE%20INTRODUCTION%20OF%2
0GIS%25>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 20AND%20GPS%20THROUGH%20LOCAL%20HISTORY%20TEACHING%20IN%20PRIM
ARY%20SCHOOL-2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards Nikos
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- --------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
- -----------
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Nikos Lambrinos Associate Professor Dept. of
>>>>>>>>> Primary Education Aristotle University of
>>>>>>>>> Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki Greece, GR-54124 Tel.
>>>>>>>>> +30 2310 991201 Email: labrinos at eled.auth.gr
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:labrinos at eled.auth.gr> Web pages:
>>>>>>>>> http://labrinos.webpages.auth.gr/digital_geography/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.digital-earth.edu.gr/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
- --------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
- -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Suchith Anand Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015
>>>>>>>>> 7:26 PM To: Mueller, Thomas; Vaclav Petras; ICA
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo Labs list Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Paper
>>>>>>>>> about FOSS into geospatial education
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great work Vaclav.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand from Dr. Christopher K Tucker
>>>>>>>>> (Chairman of the Board of Trustees, The MapStory
>>>>>>>>> Foundation) cc in that when MapStory
>>>>>>>>> http://MapStory.org <http://mapstory.org/>
>>>>>>>>> relaunched later in June, it will be an openly
>>>>>>>>> licensed data commons, an Open Educational
>>>>>>>>> Resource, that is OGC compliant, built on open
>>>>>>>>> source geohttp://www.GeoNode.org
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.geonode.org/> .It is intended
>>>>>>>>> explicitly for students to be able to organize and
>>>>>>>>> share what they know about the world spatially and
>>>>>>>>> temporally.And, in the redesign, they will open up
>>>>>>>>> distributed versioned editing of change over time,
>>>>>>>>> so that students can collaborate on data collection
>>>>>>>>> projects, and then tell their own stories with this
>>>>>>>>> data. This is exactly the kind of spatial learning
>>>>>>>>> platform we need for expanding geoeducation for
>>>>>>>>> schools.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suggest that,GeoForAll should support and make
>>>>>>>>> use ofMapStory.org <http://mapstory.org/>, as an
>>>>>>>>> alternative to proprietary ones like ArcGISOnline,
>>>>>>>>> so that students and teachers can make use of this
>>>>>>>>> for learning purposes without being dependent on
>>>>>>>>> the mercy of the proprietary vendor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please let me know your thoughts/ideas. We will
>>>>>>>>> add MapStory to our training resources section and
>>>>>>>>> promote this to all educators.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suchith
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>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>> Charlie Schweik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Professor, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dept of Environmental Conservation and Center for
>>>>>>>>> Public Policy and Administration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personal website: http://people.umass.edu/cschweik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Publications:
>>>>>>>>> http://works.bepress.com/charles_schweik/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Author, Internet Success: A Study of Open Source
>>>>>>>>> Software (MIT Press, 2012) - see
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/d3e4545
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Q: Why do I try my best to keep my emails to five
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>>
>>
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