[Geo4All] [OSGeo-Discuss] UN-GGIM The Future Trends in geospatial information management: the five to ten year vision

Sat Nov 14 05:08:13 PST 2020

Hi Peter,

Thank you for your mail.

This third edition report  is developed by UN GGIM,  so I think it is best that you contact UN-GGIM directly for any information that you need on the contributors, process etc.  As far as I  am aware  , UNGGIM  send many calls inviting participation for global consultation and review for this report through many networks, so it reaches the wider community. I did share the calls that I came across  hoping more volunteers  will contribute.

UNGGIM also made available the draft edition for global consultation and review at http://ggim.un.org/future-trends

The full list of contributors for this report (it is not a journal article) are in Pages 76-77of the report. There were contributions from member states, contributions on behalf of various organisations and also individual contributors.  I am one of the many volunteer contributors for the report. I think you need to contact UN GGIM directly for any information that you need. Thanks again for raising this important topic.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UN-GGIM The Future Trends in geospatial information management: the five to ten year vision

Hi Suchith,

thank you for responding, and as well for your patience - weekends allow me to catch up.

I respectfully disagree with your view - the report implies to operate on some high standard which however it fails to fulfil.
Thank you for the kind invitation to participate, I will see that I find time once I learn about it. Looking at the list archives actually I could find one single invitation [1] (as we all know normally you would send several), and that was quite indirect: "share your inputs for the digital divide sub theme". Not sufficiently open and transparent.
As you know from science: when you submit an article and reviewers criticize it saying "next time join us to make it better" is not going to be instrumental. As professionals we know our business.
And indeed the document does grossly violate basic principles of open science, including (but not limited to) not clearly disclosing persons responsible; not disclosing the methodology; strong unilateral bias; completely ignoring the state of the art; etc.

Let's do a thought experiment for a crosscheck: think of ESRI sending this report, only mentioning ESRI; and think of your response coming from ESRI instead - would the community enjoy that?

Some Sunday thoughts,
Peter

[1] http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Third-Edition-of-UN-GGIM-Future-Trends-report-Inputs-for-Bridging-the-digital-divide-td5409578.html

On 25.10.20 16:19, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Peter,

Thank you for sharing the RDA Array databases report. That is very useful.

The UNGGIM future trends report  (third edition) was produced by the hardwork and efforts of many colleagues and organisations over a  year. There was an open call inviting all interested to contribute on all areas of future developments , so  it would have been great if you could contribute your expertise in data cubes for this. The call inviting contributions was open to all and was shared in UN-GGIM website,  all key GIS/EO networks and mail lists.  I request you to please consider sharing your expertise for this topic for the next edition.

I think there is always room for improvement for any work, so I hope UNGGIM in their next edition will be able to improve based on the feedbacks and include more ideas/inputs. I think it is important to thank and acknowledge the good work done by all colleagues in UN GGIM and all colleagues and organisations who responded to the open call and contributed thier time and expertise for this report.

Best wishes,

Suchith

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Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] UN-GGIM The Future Trends in geospatial information management: the five to ten year vision

thanks for sharing this, Suchith!

While the report overall makes a very good impression it violates the principles of both open + science in at least one place, the one I checked: datacubes, for my personal curiosity. What I find is that only one tool, ODC, gets described, leaving the impression to the innocent reader that this is the only technology relevant/existing.

Why this is problematic:

- Science: Science is all about reproducibility. A scientific report would reflect on the state of the art; for example, in the RDA report [1] 19 tools have been investigated, and meantime for sure there are more. Further, objective criteria would get established along which the tools would get assessed. Science requires (i) listing tools and (ii) assessing them for adequate criteria, such as power, performance, standards adherence, etc. Hard work? Yes, of course, who said science is one lazy afternoon's work? The RDA report took over 1.5 years to compile, devise and run benchmarks, etc.

- Open: would require that the collection process is documented, the community at large can contribute before publishing. I could not find any earlier invitation to contribute on the topics of datacubes. Bottom line, the procedure is all but open and transparent.

Bottom line, this report is in contrast to openness, transparency, and good science, it rather represents subliminal advertisement for a single tool lobbied. That the name of the UN is (mis)used here makes it even more problematic.

Not a shining example for the principles this community is striving for.

Disappointedly,
Peter

[1] https://rd-alliance.org/system/files/Array-Databases_final-report.pdf

On 23.10.20 12:05, Suchith Anand wrote:

The United Nations initiative on Global Geospatial Information Management (UN-GGIM) aims at playing a leading role in setting the agenda for the development of global geospatial information and to promote its use to address key global challenges. It provides a forum to liaise and coordinate among Member States, and between Member States and international organizations. Details at https://ggim.un.org<https://ggim.un.org/>

'The Future Trends in geospatial information management: the five to ten year vision – Third Edition, August 2020’  by the United Nations Committee of Experts on Global Geospatial Information Management is now published at

https://ggim.un.org/meetings/GGIM-committee/10th-Session/documents/Future_Trends_Report_THIRD_EDITION_digital_accessible.pdf

The section on Open Science might be of interest. I wish to thank all colleagues who contribute to open education and open geospatial science [1] for bridging the geospatial digital divide. [2],[3],[4]

I am grateful to everyone working to make geoeducation and digital economy opportunities available for everyone.

Best wishes,

Suchith

Dr. Suchith Anand

Chief Scientist

Global Open Data for Agriculture and Nutrition

https://www.godan.info<https://www.godan.info/>

[1] https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/open-geospatial-science/

[2] https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/applying-open-principles-in-geospatial-education-to-enable-the-right-to-benefit-from-scientific-progress/

[3] https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/sharing-the-digital-economy-with-everyone/

[4] https://www.osgeo.org/foundation-news/please-share-geoforall-teaching-research-resources-colleagues-students/

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