[Geomoose-users] how to install geomoose?

Eli Adam EAdam at co.lincoln.or.us
Fri Aug 5 17:43:57 EDT 2011 

Oh yeah, Bob make a good point below.  Old browser cache can be really
annoying.  I think that ctrl+F5 on firefox clears it and reloads.

Eli

>>> On 8/5/2011 at 1:59 PM, in message
<4E3C1357020000A80002CF77 at heckle>, "Bob
Basques" <Bob.Basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:

> All, 
> 
> Also make sure you aren't looking at some cached page in your
browser. 
> You may want to reload after clearing your browser cache. 
> 
> bobb 
> 
> 
> 

>>> On 8/5/2011 at 1:19 PM, in message
<4E3BEDB9.4F75.00CE.0 at co.lincoln.or.us>,
"Eli Adam" <EAdam at co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:
> Nitin,
> 
>> I installed "GeoMOOSE 2.4 for MS4W"
>> and when I went to
>> http://localhost/geomoose2/geomoose.html 
> 
> Is this the address you get sent to from following the link at the
> bottom of the main ms4w page found at http://localhost/ ?  Try using
the
> link at the bottom of the page of listed running applications.
> 
> HTH, Eli
> 
>> 
>> I got the same thing as the screenshot i provided
>> 
>> nitin
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Eli Adam <EAdam at co.lincoln.or.us>
> wrote:
>>> Nitin,
>>>
>>>      You will get something very similar to this,
>>> http://geomoose.org/demo/geomoose2/geomoose.html 
>>>
>>> Eli
>>>
>>>>>> On 8/5/2011 at 11:13 AM, in message
>>>
>
<CAM3HAhQ7emOzhLp0863d+iuAG7wUmnUJxy2ZcmKQ=REPdwK1RQ at mail.gmail.com>,
>>> Nitin
>>> Gadia <nittyjee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> If I install the "GeoMOOSE 2.4 for MS4W", what will I get on the
>>>> screen? Would it be the same blank stuff without the tools or any
>>>> basemaps?
>>>>
>>>> nitin
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Eli Adam
<EAdam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Nitin,
>>>>>
>>>>>> I went to
>>>>>> http://localhost/geomoose2/geomoose.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and it worked...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but I'm not getting the layers or the tools. Are those separate
>>>>> adds?
>>>>>
>>>>> The tools and layers should not be a separate add.  The web
>>> mercator
>>>>> demo is perhaps in need of a little attention to work as
> intended.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought that the "GeoMOOSE 2.4 for MS4W - Web Mercator Demo"
>>>>>> would have the layers and tools already shown, like they are
> here
>>>>>> (without the edits):
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
http://geomoose.org/demo/geomoose2-webmercator/geomoose.htmlhttp://geomooseo

> 
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> rg/demo/geomoose2-webmercator/geomoose.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've attached a screenshot to show what my screen is like.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got similar results as you.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should I still install "GeoMOOSE 2.4 for MS4W" as you
> recommended?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that is a good idea.  You will have to decide for
> yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would want to use the mercator demo if I can I think... I
>>> probably
>>>>>> want to be able to use the standard stuff right outside of the
>>>>> box...
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you are a little familiar with the working demo, then
> perhaps
>>> it
>>>>> will be easier to look at the web mercator demo and make a few
>>> tweaks to
>>>>> make it work for you.  Perhaps search the email list about the
> web
>>>>> mercator demo, someone else may have already hit this and the
fix
> is
>>> on
>>>>> the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After this is all done, I'll update the wiki :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eli
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks a lot
>>>>>> nitin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Eli Adam
> <EAdam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nitin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did get MS4W working, but not Geomoose at
>>>>>>> http://localhost/geomoose/ 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like gradual progress.
>>>>>>> Does MS4W working means that you go to localhost and get the
> MS4W
>>>>> info
>>>>>>> and details page?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's what I did, in order:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) Downloaded "ms4w_2.3.1.zip" from here:
>>>>>>>> http://dl.maptools.org/dl/ms4w/ 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2) Already downloaded "G
eoMOOSE 2.4 for MS4W - Web Mercator
>>> Demo"
>>>>>>> from here:
>>>>>>>> http://geomoose.org/info/download.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (3) I transferred both of the *.zip files above to C:\
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (4) I unzipped each of them with winrar, and files with the
> same
>>>>>>> names
>>>>>>>> as above were created as following:
>>>>>>>> C:\GeoMOOSE-mercdemo-2.4-MS4W
>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w_2.3.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This unzipping step is where things seem to have gone wrong.
>>>>> winrar
>>>>>>> apparently defaults to creating a new folder and not merging
>>>>> things.
>>>>>>> Try the unzipping step again with a different program (like
the
>>>>> default
>>>>>>> windows utility) or changing settings on winrar.  When you
> unzip
>>>>> both
>>>>>
>>> those folders you should get C:\ms4w\(more here) and then the
>>>>> geomoose
>>>>>>> contents should get placed inside those folders like
>>>>>>> C:\ms4w\apps\geomoose2\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The files were separate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (5) I went to:
>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w_2.3.1\ms4w\apache-install.bat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And double-clicked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (6) I restarted the computer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (7) I checked http://localhost/ 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I saw Mapserver
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (8) Since, the following file was separate:
>>>>>>>> C:\GeoMOOSE-mercdemo-2.4-MS4W
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I "cut":
>>>>>>>> C:\GeoMOOSE-mercdemo-2.4-MS4W\ms4w
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and "pasted" in:
>>>>>>>> C:\
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and when it asked me to "merge", I clicked "yes"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (9) I tried to go to:
>>>>>>>> http://localhost/geomoose/ 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but got a "404 not found" message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (10) I tried restarting the computer, and I went to:
>>>>>>>> http://localhost/geomoose/ 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This looks like a mistake on my part.  The apache alias seems
> to
>>> be
>>>>>>> geomoose2 not geomoose.  However, just go to localhost and
> scroll
>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> bottom and it should show you how many application you have
>>>>> installed
>>>>>>> along with links to click on.  That will take you to
>>>>>>> http://localhost/geomoose2/geomoose.html (this works partly
for
>>>>> me).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd recommend the other demo at
>>>>>>> http://geomoose.org/downloads/GeoMOOSE-2.4-MS4W.zip  That is
> the
>>>>> one
>>>>>>> that I tried when I first started and it seems to be the main
>>> demo
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH, Eli
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and it still didn't work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (11) I tried to click:
>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w_2.3.1\ms4w\apache-uninstall.bat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then clicked
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w_2.3.1\ms4w\apache-install.bat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and then tried again to go to http://localhost/geomoose/ 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and it still didn't work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (12) I again tried restarting the computer, and again went
to:
>>>>>>>> http://localhost/geomoose/ 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and it still didn't work
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've done everything according to the instructions provided
> me,
>>>>>>>> however when I unzip the files, it is very different from
what
>>> the
>>>>>>>> instructions say should happen, as detailed above. Unless you
>>> know
>>>>>>>> what is wrong clearly from what I wrote above, please try and
> do
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> yourself according to the instructions I've been provided,
and
>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> if I'm missing something.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Nitin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Eli Adam
>>> <EAdam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nitin,
>>>>>>>>>> The directions have some serious problems:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *First of all, the instructions at the wiki appear to be
>>>>> identical
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> instructions, which are WAY easier on the eyes, along with
>>>>>>>>> screenshots:
>>>>>>>>>> - Wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
http://www.geomoose.o
rg/wiki/index.php/Installation#Windows_Installation_Gui

> 
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> de
>>>>>>>>>> - Identical better format:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.geomoose.org/docs/install_ms4w.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for fixing up the wiki formatting.  Yes, I think that
> it
>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> copied from one place to the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *It says not to use "MS4W 3.0 beta 10 and GeoMOOSE, we
>>> recommend
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> use MS4W 2.3.1"
>>>>>>>>>> - looking in the history here, it was upgraded from "beta
> 10"
>>> on
>>>>>>>>> 4/20/10,
>>>>>>>>>> and it is into "version 3.03" as of 7/12/11":
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.maptools.org/ms4w/index.phtml?page=HISTORY.txt 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MS4W 3.0.3 uses MapServer 6.x which GeoMoose is not quite
> ready
>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>>> think that Jim is currently updating that.  I would
recommend
>>>>
>> MS4W
>>>>>>>>> 2.3.1.  You can find it at, http://dl.maptools.org/dl/ms4w/ 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *I download the following files:
>>>>>>>>>> - MS4W: http://www.maptools.org/ms4w/ 
>>>>>>>>>> - GeoMOOSE 2.4 for MS4W - Web Mercator Demo:
>>>>>>>>>> http://geomoose.org/info/download.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *The files are different from what it explains in the
>>>>> instructions.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> ended
>>>>>>>>>> up merging the folders that were in the geomoose folder
with
>>>>> what
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>> MS4W folder, and when I typed in [http://localhost/]
nothing
>>>>>>> showed
>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both of these zip files are designed to be extracted at the
>>> root
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> C:
>>>>>>>>> (MS4W should be done first)  That will put a geomoose folder
>>> into
>>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w\apps\  It will also probably put a
>>>>> httpd_geomoose_m24w.conf
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w\httpd.d\ which sets up an Apache alias like this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias /geomoose/ "/ms4w/apps/geomoose/htdocs/"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GeoMoose will be found at http://localhost/geomoose/ (or
>>> whatever
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> .conf file sets up).  However, according to the
>>>>> README_INSTALL.txt
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> C:\ms4w\, you should have gotten the main ms4w page at
>>> localhost.
>>>>>>> Try
>>>>>>>>> making sure that you have gone through all the proper steps
> to
>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>> ms4w.  The read me covers a lot of things, like have the MS
>>>>>>>>> redistributables if needed, etc.  Specific errors and
details
>>> can
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> helpful for remote troubleshooting.  So does going to
> localhost
>>>>> give
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> error?  Is there anything in the apache logs?  In general,
> MS4W
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>>>> up to extract .zip files at the root of the drive and have
>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>> working.  Searching the ms4w mailing list
>>>>>>>>>
> http://osgeo-org.1803224.n2.nabble.com/ms4w-users-f4995553.html 
>>>
>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>> help with particular errors or operating system details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards, Eli
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do I need to do??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nitin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Bob Basques
>>>>>>>>>> <Bob.Basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  All,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  Ok, sorry about that I confused GM1.6 with GM2.6, for
some
>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> looked the same to me.  Oops.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  I have installed GeoMoose 2.4 on a Windows 7 machine
>>>>>>> successfully
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> OSGEO4W (similar to MS4W, but with a lot more stuff)  MS4W
> is
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> supported
>>>>>>>>>>> by the GeoMoose community, and is the preferred install
>>> method
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Windows,
>>>>>>>>>>>  while I had to configure things manually for the OSGEO4W
>>>>> version
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I would stay away from OSGEO4W to
 begin with and stick
> with
>>>>> MS4W
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> near term.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  bobb
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Nitin Gadia <nittyjee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ... looks like i didn't reply-all before either...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Earlier I asked Bob Basques whether I need a Windows
Server
>>>>>>> edition
>>>>>>>>>>> installed, or I can just use what I have (windows 7
>>> ultimate).
>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose that Bob was implying that I can just install it
>>> with
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> nitin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Nitin Gadia
>>>>>>> <nittyjee at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  oops, i didn't reply-all
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those instructions look easy enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try to do it today...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the meantime, what will I have if I am just going to
>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> “
> GeoMOOSE 2.2 for MS4W”?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will I be able to see any basemaps?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I suppose if I want ot see any basemaps I might just
> install
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> “GeoMOOSE
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.2 for MS4W - Web Mercator Demo”?? Are there any
>>> downsides
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>> installing the demo? Isn't web mercator a standard
anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> nitin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Dan Little
>>>>>>> <danlittle at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Yeah, referring to the .info website is not a good
idea
>>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will probably expire at the end of this year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    The old .info site only refers to 1.6 stuff and that
> is
>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything resembling support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Bob Basques <Bob.Basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Nitin Gadia <nittyjee at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geomoose-users at lists.sourceforge.net 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2011 4:37 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Geomoose-users] how to install geomoose?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    Nitin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   Start here for a windows install:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>>
>
http://www.geomoose.info/moose1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&It

> e
> 
>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mid=30
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   other OSs are here as well:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
>>
>
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> t
> 
>> 
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ionid=4&id=13&Itemid=30
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   bobb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Nitin Gadia <nittyjee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to install a server, and install geomoose
on
>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do I do this??
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm very new to doing this, so please bear with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nitin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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