R: R: [GRASS-dev] GRASS 6.3.0 to be released

Wed Apr 16 14:34:01 EDT 2008

Hi Michael,

>If it’s easier to just do a single package, then I think that is what you
should do. That is what most Windows (and Mac) users expect anyway.

...and that's very good to hear for me ;-)

Marco

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Da: Michael Barton [mailto:michael.barton at asu.edu] 
Inviato: mercoledì 16 aprile 2008 19.16
A: marco.pasetti at alice.it; grass-dev at lists.osgeo.org
Oggetto: Re: R: [GRASS-dev] GRASS 6.3.0 to be released

You have described it well. If it’s easier to just do a single package, then
I think that is what you should do. That is what most Windows (and Mac)
users expect anyway.

Michael

On 4/16/08 9:40 AM, "marco.pasetti at alice.it" <marco.pasetti at alice.it> wrote:

Michael,

>I see what you mean on Windows. Actually, in this case, there are no
>dependencies like you find on Unix systems

thx. it's difficult to be a Windows user here. GRASS people is used to work
on too much advanced systems than I'm used to ;-) (even if I'm a linux user
too)

>A separate install for Msys/TclTk/Python might be useful.

MSYS:
-----------------------
I think we could provide MSYS as install option or don't provide it at
all... if people want MSYS they can download and install using the official
MSYS installer (the GRASS installer could just check if MSYS is installed
and create the grass63 file into /usr msys folder, according to selected
GRASS install path, as it already does)

TclTk
-----------------------
This is needed, since GRASS is built with it and some binaries require
tcl/tk DLLs. I think we must provide it along binaries

Python
-----------------------
I think that's the only indipendent package installer we could provide.

>Then that part could be installed only as
>needed and GRASS could be updated more often.

I think that's not a *frequency* problem, but just a *weight* problem of the
installers provided.

If I had built a new version of GRASS to release, it's not absolutely a
problem for me to package all the other files along with it (I mean the new
GRASS build) as I as did with the WinGRASS-6.3.0RC5 and RC6 releases. I need
to just run an automated batch file I wrote for the job, and then compile
the NSIS script to create the related installer. The whole packaging job
takes approx 5 minutes!

I hope to have well described the *situation*

Best regards,

Marco

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Da: grass-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org per conto di Michael Barton
Inviato: mer 16/04/2008 18.15
A: grass-dev at lists.osgeo.org
Oggetto: Re: [GRASS-dev] GRASS 6.3.0 to be released

Marco,

I see what you mean on Windows. Actually, in this case, there are no
dependencies like you find on Unix systems. A separate install for
Msys/TclTk/Python might be useful. Then that part could be installed only as
needed and GRASS could be updated more often.

Michael

On 4/16/08 9:00 AM, "grass-dev-request at lists.osgeo.org"
<grass-dev-request at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:18:30 +0200
> From: <marco.pasetti at alice.it>
> Subject: R: R: R: [GRASS-dev] GRASS 6.3.0 to be released
> To: "Moritz Lennert" <mlennert at club.worldonline.be>
> Cc: Martin Landa <landa.martin at gmail.com>, Glynn Clements
> <glynn at gclements.plus.com>, GRASS developers list
> <grass-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
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> Hi Moritz,
> 
>> This actually sounds much more sophisticated than what Glynn proposed.
> 
> yes, it is... but we could make a walkaround... I'll explain how later...
> 
>> Could you not simply propose one installer with only the latest
>> (complete) GRASS binaries. This installer could check for any existing
>> installation of GRASS and propose to erase that before installing the
>> new version, or install the new version next to the old.
> 
> very good ;-) we are at the same *point* here. I already thought it some
weeks
> ago, before ro release RC6... and that's why I already added in RC6
installer
> some registry key values that would let me the job (that is: let future
> installers recognise if GRASS is already istalled on the system, what
version
> and where). I already talked with Markus about this option in future
WinGRASS
> installers.
> 
>> The question then is: do we need a "complete" installer with everything
>> in it (as you suggest), or can we impose the burden of two installers on
>> people, i.e. as Glynn suggests: one GRASS installer + one Dependencies
>> installer. I think this would be the best solution for us, but it would
>> mean that at least for the first installation, users will have to
>> install two packages. If the GRASS installer could test for the
>> installation of the other package and propose to download it and lauch
>> its installation autmagically, then this might be the best solution.
> 
> what do you mean about *dependencies*? the only dependencies that are
> indipendent to GRASS binaries is Python!
> all the other DLLs are necessary to start GRASS. What would happen if we
> release GRASS with an additional support (jpeg, for example) not
previously
> supported? we must provide the libjpeg with the installer, or update the
> *dependencies installer*?
> IMHO, this is a sctrictly UNIX way to think... windows is very different:
if
> you release binaries, you must provide all the DLLs needed by those
binaries
> along with them.
> It would be a *safer* solution to release future WinGRASS installers along
> with a separated updater: in that way new users would install the whole
GRASS
> package (why provide 2 different installers when users absolutely need to
> install both GRASS bins and Deps?) or simply download and lunch a smaller
> updater, that would copy/replace only the new bins and libs.
> 
> BTW, I still think that providing separated installers for GRASS and its
> dependencies is a nonsense...
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Marco

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School of Human Evolution & Social Change
Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity
Arizona State University

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