[GRASS-dev] GRASS 7: r.shaded.relief changed name?

Thu Apr 23 09:39:41 PDT 2015

Well, maybe we can think on this again in the near future?..

I always think on my students and in people coming from the ArcGIS world..
If I were just beginning in GRASS, looking at the modules' names, I would
definitely think that relief shading would be done with r.shade, not
r.relief (which would give me the impression that it something related to a
morphometric parameter - but that may be because I do work with
geomorphometry..).

Anyway, the menus descriptions are good and clear. It's just going to be a
bit hard to get used to the new names after all these years..

best

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Carlos Grohmann <
> carlos.grohmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That was an interesting discussion, I'm sorry I missed it (should pay
> more attention...)
> >
> > I think that modules names should be descriptive. When I started
> learning GRASS (and GIS), back in my Masters, I knew what r.shaded.relief
> would do. I wouldn't be sure in the case of r.relief or r.shade.
> > If we have r.local.relief in the addons, it's great but a new user might
> not know about this, so the name still can cause confusion.
> >
> > Making the names shorter doesn't necessarily make them better, IMO.
> >
> > I'd say r.shaded.relief should stay as it was.
> >
> > As for r.shade, I'd go with something like r.drape.shade or
> r.shade.drape (because that's what it is doing) or r.shade.mapping (but
> this could be confusing as well - is it mapping the shades?..)
>
> Thanks for the comments, Carlos. I think the desire to have short names
> was definitively involved in the decision. Although they might be less
> readable they have different advantages. According to it's name I might see
> r.shaded.relief as something which shades the relief (r.relief+r.shade) but
> it just creates the shade from relief (r.relief). Also, r.relief, although
> not self-explanatory, does not invoke any association with relief metrics
> or relief-related parameters because I'm not familiar with these terms
> (also Google and Wikipedia seems to be quite ignorant about them).
>
> In any case, I should emphasize that although this is an important
> feedback, the discussion already happened and now it would be impossible or
> at least very hard to change it since we have already released 7.0.0.
>
> Vaclav
>
> > cheers
> >
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with Carlos on this , I think r.shaded.relief was pretty clear
> what it was doing. As I learned recently, r.relief indeed can be confused
> with any of the numerous relief metrics.
> >>
> >> Helena
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Carlos Grohmann <
> carlos.grohmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi
> >>> >
> >>> > I just installed the latest pkg for GRASS 7 on OSX (nice splash
> screen BTW)
> >>> > and r.shaded.relief is now just r.relief
> >>> >
> >>> > Is it too much if ask why this change? To me, r.shaded.relief is so
> much better, it describes the module.
> >>>
> >>> I did the rename after discussion with Michael Barton and Markus
> Neteler. We've tried to consider different names for several modules and
> picked the ones which seemed less confusing. See the discussion:
> >>>
> >>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-dev/2014-November/071904.html
> >>>
> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Re-GRASS-SVN-r62845-in-grass-trunk-scripts-d-shadedmap-r-shadedmap-td5174184.html
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > r.relief might be confusing (is it to calculate some rellief-related
> parameter?
> >>>
> >>> I'm afraid that in case of these modules, basically anything can be
> confusing. Let us know what do you think after reading the discussion, so
> we have some more feedback.
> >>>
> >>> > local relief? other morphometric parameter?).
> >>>
> >>> BTW, there is r.local.relief in addons.
> >>>
> >>> Vaclav
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > best
> >>> >
> >>> > Carlos
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Prof. Carlos Henrique Grohmann
> >>> > Institute of Energy and Environment - Univ. of São Paulo, Brazil
> >>> > - Digital Terrain Analysis | GIS | Remote Sensing -
> >>> >
> >>> > http://carlosgrohmann.com
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> >
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> > Prof. Carlos Henrique Grohmann
> > Institute of Energy and Environment - Univ. of São Paulo, Brazil
> > - Digital Terrain Analysis | GIS | Remote Sensing -
> >
> > http://carlosgrohmann.com
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>
>

-- 
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Institute of Energy and Environment - Univ. of São Paulo, Brazil
- Digital Terrain Analysis | GIS | Remote Sensing -

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