[GRASSLIST:2680] Re: grasslinks for grass5
Len Coop
coopl at ippc2.orst.edu
Tue Nov 20 21:28:55 EST 2001
Thanks Patty,
I still do not see major problems with the REGIS Grasslinks 3.1 license, I would be fine to see the
existing license retained and honored - it is not a GPL, but it is free and wants to stay free (but
not free to be incorporated into profit-making software without permission). So companies might seek
permissions (or stay away) but us University types should be OK.
Len
Patricia Frontiera wrote:
>
> Hi Len,
>
> Sorry to be so slow to respond - we are very overworked with deadlines,
> which should subside at beginning of December.
>
> The license/copyright issues are complicated b/c of the university
> administration. University of California policies on copyright
> can be found at:
> http://itpolicy.berkeley.edu:7015/e-Berkeley.policy.html
>
> After I edited Grasslinks to version 3.1, I consulted a UCB copyright
> administrator who determined that the joint copyright used by Grasslinks
> 3.1 was appropriate for this software since Grasslinks was developed on
> campus as part funded research project for the university and part
> research project for a dissertation. My understanding of this copyright,
> which may be incorrect, is that anyone can use the code so long as they
> don't try to sell it and they put the UC copyright blurb somewhere. Of
> course, if you re-write GLinks substantially then it is no longer GLinks,
> and that probably should be done anyway b/c the code really could use
> improvement.
>
> So, please review the UC policy statements for clarification. I'm not sure
> what else I can do to help. Our intention is that anyone use the
> software, but we are bound by university policy.
>
> -Patty
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Len Coop wrote:
>
> > Hi Patty,
> > As the person who maintains grasslinks at Regis, could you
> > respond/comment on Bernhard's objections concerning the
> > usage of GRASSLinks 3.1. Can it in fact (by license) NOT
> > be used with GRASS 5.0 or any GPL software?
> >
> > Looking from the other direction, the GPL license of GRASS 5.x
> > does NOT interfere with using it with non-GPL software,
> > otherwise we would all be in jail or prison camps or something!
> >
> > If GRASS were commercial AND GRASSLINKS were incorporated INTO
> > GRASS then there would be a problem, but neither of those conditions
> > is true.
> >
> > PS GRASSLinks 2.5 source was available last time I checked.
> > Len
> >
> > Bernhard Reiter wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Len,
> > >
> > > just read the license for GRASSLinks 3.1 I could find:
> > > http://ippc2.orst.edu/glinks/gl_copyright.html
> > >
> > > It is not Free Software and therefor _not compatible_
> > > with the license of GRASS.
> > > You cannot use it with modern GRASS version.
> > >
> > > If we need GRASSLinks 3.1 functionality somebody has to reimplement it. :(
> > >
> > > | GRASSLinks Copyright Notice and Disclaimer
> > > |
> > > | Copyright (c) 1994-98
> > > | Susan M. Huse and The Regents of the University of California
> > > | All rights reserved.
> > > |
> > > | Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and
> > > | its documentation for educational, research and non-profit purposes,
> > > | without fee, and without a written agreement is hereby granted,
> > > | provided that the above copyright notice, this paragraph and the
> > > | following three paragraphs appear in all copies.
> > > |
> > > | Permission to incorporate this software into commercial products may
> > > | be obtained by contacting the University of California.
> > >
> > > It looks like GRASSLinks 2.5 is under GPL and can be used with
> > > modern GRASS versions, according to:
> > >
> > > http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/grasslinks/copyright.html
> > >
> > > | GRASSLinks Copyright Information
> > > | Copyright (c) 1994 Susan M. Huse
> > > | (Based on the GNU General Public License, 2/1989)
> > >
> > > I have not fully compared it to the GNU GPL v2 which would be
> > > necessary beofre using it with GRASS under GNU GPL.
> > > Additionally I do not have a copy of the GRASSLinks 2.5 source code.
> > > So I cannot help Alex.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Bernhard
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:16:29AM -0800, Len Coop wrote:
> > > > I have begun some significant improvements to Berkeley/Regis
> > > > GRASSLinks 3.1 (single perl script), including the new
> > > > features/abilities listed below. I am planning to continue these
> > > > improvements for at least a year and am contemplating writing
> > > > major grants to support the effort. I have not "packaged" the
> > > > current changes yet but could hopefully get to that fairly soon.
> > > > Eventually I would like to incorporate the additional features of
> > > > GRASSLinks 2.5, which remains shell script based, and can be seen at
> > > > http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/grasslinks/
> > > >
> > > > The Regis Perl script Glinks 3.1 is better engineered/programed
> > > > than the many small shell scripts approach, IMO, and find is has
> > > > great potential for updates (unless you dont like Perl, but I do
> > > > like Perl).
> > > >
> > > > The problem with Glinks 3.1 (
> > > > http://www.regis.berkeley.edu/glinks/ ), is that installation is
> > > > rather tricky. Making it easier is a #1 priority. My own
> > > > in-development GRASSLinks site is at
> > > > http://ippc2.orst.edu/glinks
> > > >
> > > > Regis has not done much with GRASSLinks since 1998 or so and seems
> > > > to be working more with ARCIMS these days.
> > > >
> > > > I am thinking that future GRASSLinks development could be shared
> > > > via sourceforge.
> > >
> > > > > I'm looking for the source code and documentation for the latest and
> > > > > greatest grasslinks for grass5, I'd greatly appreciate any direction as to
> > > > > where I can find this.
> > >
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> > --
> > Leonard Coop
> > Research Associate
> > Entomology Dept & Integrated Plant Protection Center
> > 2046 Cordley
> > Oregon State University
> > Corvallis OR 97331-2907
> > Phone 541-737-5523
> > Fax 541-737-3080
> > http://osu.orst.edu/dept/entomology/coopl
> >
--
Leonard Coop
Research Associate
Entomology Dept & Integrated Plant Protection Center
2046 Cordley
Oregon State University
Corvallis OR 97331-2907
Phone 541-737-5523
Fax 541-737-3080
http://osu.orst.edu/dept/entomology/coopl
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