[Ica-osgeo-labs] FW: Defining criteria for REL membership

Sun Jun 7 05:18:39 PDT 2015

Hi Dave,

Welcome and thank you for your mail. I am ccing this to ica-osgeo labs as you will get further support and collaboration ideas for your query from our colleagues.

The Geoacademy link is  http://fossgeo.org/ . Phillip will be the best person to guide you on this

Also your email reminded me that one of things which is now priority is to keep our training page updated http://www.geoforall.org/training/

There are so many teaching materails that our colleagues are creating that it is important that they are all available in the training section rather than we have to look through email archives

http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2015-June/001683.html

I will request one of the web development volunteers to come forward to help keep this updated.

Suchith
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From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 11:35 AM
To: Murray, Dave
Cc: Suchith Anand
Subject: Re: FW: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Defining criteria for REL membership

Hi Dave,
Sorry for the delayed response. I've replied personally to you (as you did to me), but encourage you to CC ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org> for the rest of this email trail, as there are many on this list who will be able to help you - in particular there are many OSGeo trainers.

I suggest looking at least at the QGIS MOOC series as recently mentioned by Suchith:

On 7/06/2015 1:04 am, Suchith Anand wrote:

For example, GeoAcademy colleagues in Texas have already developed a coherent curriculum (and running a very successful MOOC program) that includes these five GIS courses:

    GST 101 Introduction to Geospatial Technology Using QGIS 2.8
    GST 102 Spatial Analysis Using QGIS 2.8
    GST 103 Data Acquisition & Management Using QGIS 2.8
    GST 104 Cartography Using QGIS 2.8
    GST 105 Remote Sensing Using QGIS 2.8 & GRASS 7.0

All the course materails are available at https://github.com/FOSS4GAcademy

My experience is more in the process of building of Open Source projects rather than actually in the training.
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordinating.html

I'm keen to find like minded organisations looking to collaboratively build upon common training material.
Maybe you might be one of them?

Warm regards,
Cameron

On 3/06/2015 11:32 pm, Murray, Dave wrote:
Cameron,
My name is Dave Murray and I had the great opportunity to instruct a FOSS4G Survey course last semester at the University of Colorado at Denver as a part-time lecturer.  I have instructed at UCD for many years using commercial vendor products.  The opportunity was too good to pass up and I was hoping that the GeoAcademy materials would fill in a good portion of the class material.  This was a good starting point but I found myself scouring the web for training materials on desktop, database and web FOSS4G technologies.  It was a bit hit and miss for the students and myself.  The best compliment I received is that a student said that they could go into any organization and feel comfortable getting started with their FOSS4G stack.

I have the opportunity to instruct this class again in the Spring of 2016.  This class will be quite different.  I will be assigning materials from a number of the great PackT books on desktop, database and web FOSS4G technologies.  Along with the background materials, I look forward to working in-depth with some real-world problems.   This is how I have conducted my commercial vendor classes and with a defined curriculum I think I can give the students a rich learning environment.

Any assistance from the community would be greatly appreciated.  I am new to FOSS4G instruction but the range of materials and community support has been fantastic.

Thank you,

Dave Murray, GISP
GIS Coordinator
City of Westminster
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From: ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Shorter
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:58 AM
To: Charles Schweik
Cc: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Defining criteria for REL membership

Hi Charles,
Insightful feedback, yet again.

Yes, I agree that an excellent starting point for building training material is to identify user needs, define a curriculum,  and then trace that to the training material to create.

Yes, I also agree, that collaboratively creating and maintaining training material is a bigger challenge than we faced when starting OSGeo-Live. Mind you, I'm also convinced that if suitably resourced, it is a very achievable goal.

Dimitris, Helena, Venka, others,
I acknowledge your concerns about introducing bureaucracy (although what I'm proposing is structure and process, which in my mind is slightly different). If OSGeo Labs as it is currently set up addresses what you are looking for, then great. It certainly has been very successful at attracting and networking like minded Open GIS educators.

Warm regards,
Cameron

On 2/06/2015 11:18 pm, Charles Schweik wrote:
Hi Cameron, all

(VERY sorry for a long note -- not sure how else to do this)

1. Cameron - Your points are well taken as well -- and your work leading the Live DVD is a one of the best examples of positive example of global, productive collaboration. You weren't asking for this but you and your collaborators deserve a huge 'GREAT JOB' and I know rules and structure and standards drives what you've been able to do. Your insight is really valuable and you've got proof of concept.

2. Regarding rules for GeoForAll lab creation, we have some here [1] and the question is are they enough or well-defined enough. I think Demitris and I and others are arguing to keep them light or as 'frictionless' as possible, with some regular check like Helena has been doing (thanks Helena!).

3. Turning to your 'want to achieve more collaboratively' question, I think we do.

The challenge is how to do this. I don't know the history of the Live DVD, but clearly you were able to create a vision, and find people who were motivated to contribute to it under the rules you crafted (this is an art, and you do it well).

Under Suchith's leadership, we've made great progress identifying people/labs worldwide. Now we need to move beyond the simple listing of labs toward something more collaborative that moves us all forward. It's here that I think Eric von Hippel's [2] ideas of 'user-innovation' or 'user-centered need' is so important. We need to find things to collaborate on (educational material, research) that motivates people to contribute *because they need it* and it helps them in their own careers/work/leisure... whatever.

This is why I believe the Urban Science/Cities effort led by Patrick Hogan and Chris Pettit is so important [2b]. On the Research side, we've identified an area that a subset of labs want to collaborate. It's not as clear as the Live DVD, but it is a step closer. One next step is to find some funding to help us begin to get more clarity as a community, which we are trying to do right now. My hope is that through this process others in the group will build on or refine our collaborative ideas on Smart City research and go after funds they have access to through their own countries, but with an eye to continue to move our entire group forward. This is why I like the 'grant sprint' idea.

Suchith's offered up another research collaboration focal area --  Agri-GIS -- which hopefully will gain some traction with some people from some labs.

On the Education side, this has been a tough nut to crack, and you and I have had conversations about this years ago. Just my postings on Web-GIS has identified at least 4 efforts of educational content that I was not aware of.

But following your Live DVD example, what we really need is to define a curriculum and then try and line up faculty in our network who all are already teaching or want to teach some of that curriculum in their own institutions (user-centered need). I think this is bigger than the Live DVD production process, but perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps the accreditation discussion will help us toward such a curriculum. The GeoAcademy folks [5] provide one important example.

Another step forward is what we've tried in the past -- first inventorying what people are doing. Our old OSGeo educational inventory with simple course metadata and links [3] generated the most sharing I think we have seen, and I think that is because it was easy to do in short time for people. I personally believe we need to get the input page [4] operational again. It's not sharing of content, but it is at least a place for us to store links to what people are doing. I've put a ticket in to get this fixed, but haven't heard anything.

Moving forward, we need to get a repository for storage of educational source material that would allow people to place them there and others to create new derivatives. We have two options here currently -- the ELOGeo system that Suchith and others have implemented [6, link is not working..., we need to fix that], and a GitHub system that Rick Smith at Texas A&M has created.

My hope is that in the short time some of us will have in FOSS4G EU, we'll be able to make some progress on this education side collaboration.

My two pence. I hope I don't sound like I'm preaching! I just continue to puzzle over how to create deep collective-action in our community.

Charlie

[1] http://www.geoforall.org/how_to_join/
[2] http://web.mit.edu/evhippel/www/books/DI/DemocInn.pdf
[2b] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_UrbanScience_CityAnalytics
[3] http://www.osgeo.org/educational_content
[4] https://www.osgeo.org/node/add/edu-content
[5] http://fossgeo.org/2015/04/10/announcing-the-new-geo-academy/
[6] http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ngi/research/geospatial-science/projects/elogeo.aspx

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dimitris and Charles,
You have a valid point, simple is good. Yes, "hoops to jump through" hinders a project, but structure should be introduced if there is substantial value gained from its introduction. Structure helps achieve higher collaborative goals.  In the case of Open Source Software that includes setting up a code repository, developer accounts, releases, issue trackers, etc. Have a look at the OSGeo Incubation docs [1] if you want to see more.

The REL community has successfully set up great collaborative communication channels. This is valuable, but there is more that could be achieved by introducing some structure and coordination. In particular, I think some structure and processes would significantly help to collaboratively create and maintain educational training material.

I suspect it would also help institutions bid for funds to be involved.

The processes should certainly be kept as simple as possible, but some process is required to collaborate effectively.

So I ask, do educators want to try to achieve more collaboratively?
* Maybe create training material?
* Anything else?

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html

On 2/06/2015 8:36 pm, Suchith Anand wrote:
Dimitris ,

Thank you for these excellent points. (And thanks Charlie for the interesting article reference).

Yes, participation itself in a global network with excellent people is the biggest benifit for all (those active and those not that active). We need to find mechanisms to encourage  and help those not that active to be more involved and active.

I also agree that the very  simple reporting suggested is just for understanding the bigger picture of the community and encourage more collaboration opportunities but not to be used as a criterion to continue someone's participation ( in fact, we can use this opportunity to help those who need more support).  Cameron and others who have great experience with success of OSGeo Live can give us more ideas to help us.

Suchith

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Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Defining criteria for REL membership

+1

One of my favorite quotes by open source advocate Eric Raymond is below, and relevant:

'... the number of contributors (and, at second order, the success of) projects is strongly and inversely correlated with the number of hoops each project makes a contributing user go through.' [1]

[1] http://timreview.ca/article/645

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Dimitris Kotzinos <kotzino at gmail.com<mailto:kotzino at gmail.com><mailto:kotzino at gmail.com<mailto:kotzino at gmail.com>>> wrote:
Dear all,

I followed the exchange of e-mails on "advancing" the requirements for
participating in the GeoForAll, beyond just checking for inactivity.
I think that we should try to keep things simple; actually I think that
one of the points of the unprecedented success and growth the network
has seen, is based on the fact that things have been kept simple and not
very demanding in terms of time. I think the important point is to keep
people interested and involved. The many good people that already
participate and are active guarantee the growth of the network. If
someone is not very active in my view should be encouraged and helped
(as Suchith suggested) and not be thrown out or e.g. in incubation. We
have to consider also how valuable such participation is for
universities from developing countries, both in terms of best practices
and materials.
For me the main benefit of participation, is ... participation itself in
a global network with excellent people submitting proposals like the
ones by Charlie or Maria and while as usual few people will drive the
initiatives the more that participate the better it is.
Needless to say that some simple reporting is more than welcome for
understanding the bigger picture of the community but not to be used as
a criterion to continue someone's participation. In practical terms we
can always poke people from time to time to understand if they want to
continue being part or not as Helena did now (thanks Helena).

So let's try to hit the 100 members mark!

Best regards to all,
Dimitris

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