[Ica-osgeo-labs] I need your help to Success Nigerian Resettlement

Sun Nov 29 10:57:14 PST 2015

Dear All,

Two important objectives in the sustainable redevelopment of disaster-affected regions are to (1) improve the qualities of life for surviving or returning residents and (2) increase the resilience of human and natural systems to future disturbance.  A window of opportunity to realize this objectives is fast approaching in Northern Nigeria, where more than 300,000 internally displaced people (IDPs) are gradually returning to homelands they fled during the Boko Haram insurgency.  The disaster that prompted the massive emigration and abandonment of villages was violence perpetrated by Boko Haram.  However, the chronic disaster that has affected the area for decades, and that potentially precipitated or exacerbated the terrorism, is desertification.  Desertification has progressively damaged food production systems, water availability, livelihoods, and  environmental quality.   Agroforestry will abate if not reverse desertification by stabilizing soil against erosion, among many other beneficial influences.  Agroforestry systems will be easier to establish, and will be much more productive if supported with at least small amounts of supplemental irrigation because the climate of the affected area is sharply limited to one five-month rainy season each year.   However, the returning IDPs will find it difficult to affordably and reliably irrigate their plantings if they must rely on petrol-powered pumps; they require periodic maintenance and fuel that must be purchased and transported.  Foot- or hand-powered pumps offer an attractive alternative. However, human-powered pumps typically don’t draw water from more than 15 meters deep or move it laterally more than 30 meters. For this reason,  the initial agroforestry developments should take advantage of small vernal or permanent water courses. Whether presenting year-round surface water or not, each of these water courses is paralleled by potentially wide margins underlain by near-surface ground water, shallow enough for harvest using human-powered pumps in hand-dug wells (locally known as wash bowls). 
GIS is a powerful tool for identifying and delineating these areas with near-surface ground water.  Compilation and analysis of present and historical aerial and satellite imaging – including both visible and invisible spectra --  will  identify areas that meet the requisite criteria. It will be important to map and model using remote sensing on a large- scale given the vastness of the area, which is both scarcely populated with limited accessibility.

Please write to me if you can help in this project. 
 Respectfully yours, Kalum Priyanath Udagepola PhD, MSc,BSc,Sur.Dip.,Reg. Surv.,FBCS,FACS,CP,SMIEEE,GISPProfessor and Head of Department Computer Science & Software EngineeringSchool of Information Technology and ComputingAmerican University of NigeriaChair, Educational ActivitiesIEEE Queensland SectionEducation Liaison OfficerThe Chartered Institute of IT: Middle East Sectionhttp://www.americanuniversitynigeria.org/about/administration/faculty/29-school-of-information-technology-and-computing/118-kalum-udagepolahttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kalum_Udagepola/stats
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will
      be needed: geo4all relationship (Suchith Anand)
  2. Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will
      be needed: geo4all relationship (Cameron Shorter)
  3. Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will
      be needed: geo4all relationship (Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX))

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:39:45 +0000
From: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>
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Thanks Patrick, Venka. This is exactly what we want to happen. We want to warmly welcome new projects who follow open principles in geospatial to OSGeo. 

Best wishes,

Suchith

From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:44 AM
To: geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship

Venka,

We would be delighted to see WorldWind included as part of the OSGEO package!
https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WebWorldWind
https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindJava
Thanks for suggesting it!
As have Suchith, Charlie and Phil, and others in various ways.

NASA has a motto, 'for the benefit of all.'
This open source software surely speaks well to that.
The past few years of the Europe Challenge have been dedicated to encouraging students to do useful ^open source^ things with it for society.
And all of that still stands there today, thanks to the generous support of that 2015 Sol Katz soul kitten, Prof Maria Antonia Brovelli.
http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/

-Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:31 AM
To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship

On 2015/11/27 3:04, Phillip Davis wrote:
Open source tools, like NASA WorldWind, are not supported nor developed by OSGeo, but clearly come under the banner of G4A.

I think that is the same as what I have said. Also, "NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3" under which WorldWind is released is compatible with  OSI-certified open source license [1].

Would be great if it could be included as a part of the OSGeo-Live package.

Best
Venka

[1] https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3
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From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Venkatesh Raghavan [raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:02 PM
To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will
be needed: geo4all Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] relationship

Dear All,

I am traveling now and haven't had time to go through all the mails in this thread. Maybe what I say below could be a bit off-topic.

OSGeo as a foundation has been inclusive and diverse. This is evident from the presentations at our FOSS4G events of contents the our
OSGeo-Live which include several software projects that are not OSGeo projects.

I think Geo4All takes up a similar position as our FOSS4G events and OSGeo-Live to include projects that are not a part of OSGeo.

I have noticed some comments to the effect that OSGeo seems to about OSGeo "products" and I do not think that is true (as evident from our FOSS4G events and OSGeo Live package).

There has also been some talk about where do we draw a line on what we can include under the umbrella of Geo4All. I believe that Geo4All is an initiative to promote Free and Open Source Geospatial Software. So any geospatial software that requires a proprietary software or library to be installed before it can be executed can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All.

Also, any software that is not made available under a valid Open Source License can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All, I think.

Geo4All as an integral part of OSGeo (Scenario 1 and 1B) or OSGeo being one of the "partners" of OSGeo is something that the Geo4All advisory board has to decide.

OSGeo as a foundation, has a priority of supporting/promoting software that are its integral part.
OSGeo has no issues with other open source software "products" being a part of events and initiatives supported/fostered by OSGeo.

I would also like to mention that OSGeo student awards that were presented at FOSS4G-2015 are for innovative use of OSGeo "products" and as a foundation it is one of ways to promote wider use of OSGeo "products".

Does ICA or ISPRS have some in-house projects or initiatives that need to be included as a part of Geo4All initiative? Or is there some compelling reason why Geo4All needs to be an independent initiatives despite fact that the "partners" have concluded an MoU to be "equal" partners in promoting Free and Open Software, Data, Standards for Geospatial Education?

As I have mentioned before, Scenario 1 reflects what is presently shown in the OSGeo and Geo4All websites. Scenario 1B is a variant and only does away with the OSGeo Edu Committee. And my preference would be for either 1 or 1B over Scenario 2.

Best
Venka

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship

On 2015/11/27 0:05, Sanghee Shin wrote:

+1

2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl <arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net작성:

Dear OSGeo Board,
if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education
Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right?
This is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because
will probably not work.

In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go,
otherwise chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same
time I am absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on
good, solid Open Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If
Geo4All were something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would
absolutely push for joining and supporting the initiative. Does this make any sense?

Geo4All Advisory Board,
I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it
is the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore
the natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology
for education.

Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle path.
I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.
This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want
to achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming
in) this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or
funding or volunteers).

Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act
as OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka, Helena).

Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would
make more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo
is trying to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see
us "let go of it" and at the same time have the confidence that it
will always stick with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid
involvement from OSGeo folks and simply because our Open Source
software is the core asset for the labs.

Best regards,
Arnulf

On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:

Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am
sure with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best solution.
As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official
projects and keep  partnership with educational (and research)
efforts with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We
need to keep doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.

Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and
also good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of OSGeo's growth.

Best wishes,
Suchith

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  on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler [jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM
*To:* GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
*Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board] geo4all relationship

Hi all,
I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However
I would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of
change onto the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by
step. Options 1B and 2 are not optimal I think.
Greeting,
Jeroen

Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan
<raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
<mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
het volgende geschreven:

I prefer  Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the
information presently available on the OSGeo Website. I think
Scenario 1 is less confusion as it also clarifies the status of
former Edu Committee.

Best
Venka

On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:
Hi all,

I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.

I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote
OSGeo and OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure
we keep strong partnership with educational (and research)
efforts with other projects like NASA WorldWind.

But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong
open geospatial science and education collaboration.

Cheers,
Charlie

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
<jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:

Hi Suchith,

I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option
only works if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on
OSGeo as its education committee.  This document was drafted
because it seems that GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is
for education, may not always have OSGeo in their interests (as
many GeoForAll members have stated recently, that they should
not be forced to promote OSGeo, they should have a choice).
Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a
committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo.

So option1b can only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees
to always promote OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.

So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b,
please realize that this would mean that GeoForAll would be
responsible for always promoting OSGeo.

So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus,
is it OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because
it promotes "open" through many different tools and organizations.

Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want
GeoForAll to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a
committee/group/initiative to always be out there promoting OSGeo.
If this is a problem, then Option 1b unfortunately will not work.

I hope this explanation helps.

-jeff

On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:

Hi Phillip,

Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then  in this scenario
Geo4All would be required to name an officer who would liaise
with the OSGeo Board (as every other OSGeo committee does).
Then my suggestion is that someone who is an OSGeo Board member (Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.

Best wishes,
Suchith
________________________________________
From: Phillip Davis [pdavis at delmar.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM
To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova;
GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
[Board] geo4all relationship

Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps
GeoForAll unique identity.  Option 1b provides more autonomy
for GeoForAll, but the requirement for an officer is somewhat
problematic, since that would be more or less permanent and might entail much footwork?

My vote is 1a.

Dr. Phillip Davis
Director GeoAcademy (http://fossgeo.org)
Professor: Del Mar College Department of Computer
Science-Engineering-Advanced Technology Program Lead:
Geographic Information System & Cartography - Geospatial
Technology Program
101 Baldwin, VB 153 | Corpus Christi, TX 78404
361.698.1476 | 361.698.1475 | 361.698.1479 fax
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ALL THESE WORLDS…ARE YOURS…EXCEPT TEXAS…ATTEMPT NO LANDING
THERE

-----Original Message-----
From: GeoForAll-ab
[mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
Suchith Anand
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM
To: Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
[Board] geo4all relationship

Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote
on their choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.

Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on  Regional
chairs being constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure
if there is a majority vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No

Best wishes,
Suchith
________________________________________
From: Helena Mitasova [hmitaso at ncsu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM
To: GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
Cc: Suchith Anand
Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board]
geo4all relationship

Suchith,

thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship <
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationshipdocument to the community.
I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat
buried in the forwarded email where it could be overlooked.
I am resending it at least for the advisory board because after
discussion a decision and vote on one of the options (perhaps with some revisions) will be needed.
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship

Helena

On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <
Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.ukwrote:

Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and
forwarding to Geo4All advisory Board and community.

Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,

Recently there had been  discussions on the future directions
for Geo4All  .There were different opinions and hence we
arranged a meeting at Como to discuss this and find a way
forward. Following lot of discussions among our members in our
mail lists  etc and the meeting at Como[1] that was led by
Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and
Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll:
OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo
website at http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also
presented this outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will
continue to be inclusive and include all partners that OSGeo
Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All
education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles.

Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up
OSGeo's education aims by collaborating with like minded
organisations and it is one of the most successful initiatives
that we have undertaken. OSGeo Board has made separate MoUs
with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and
universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have
trusted the MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined
the network , so it is important we provide strong continuity and focus.
MoUs have to be respected and the momentum created need to build upon
with clear direction and focus.

It is important that proper structures are in place and steps
need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll
as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS
and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will
also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this
is build upon for the future.

Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education
activities globally .Members have been running
courses,training events,workshops using OSGeo software, MOOC
programs (that benefitted thousands of students
globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally.
Geo4All members have been actively contributing to OSGeo
Curriculum development effort and will continue to expand this
by having more course materials in various OSGeo software
added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make use of for their teaching and education.

We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have
MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education
initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the
principles. That way the OSGeo Board will be able to keep
expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .

So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to
GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with
ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon for the future.

There are some steps that are outlined below and looking
through the options - Scenario 1 seems to  be best option
based on the Como discussions for ensure the smooth transition
to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with
ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.

In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include
representatives from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All
Advisory Board comprises of representatives from ICA, ISPRS,
OSGeo and other organisations that join in future. As a
partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering
Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education
and Curriculum
Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of
Geo4All) need to be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation.
The PSC could liaise with Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way
and means to achieve mutual goals and objectives.

Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum Project)
and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All)
please let us know if you are happy to being
constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure?

May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send
their suggestions on this, so we can  move forward. It is
important that proper structures are in place and steps need
to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as
OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and
other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also
make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is
built upon for the future.
Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.

Best wishes,
Suchith

[1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting

[2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2

From: Board [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody
Garnett [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
To: board at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship

I have added an entry to our wiki for:

Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of
GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board

Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on
the GeoForAll advisory board.

Thank you for taking on what is an important
relationship for our foundation objectives.
--
Jody Garnett

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:36:52 +1100
From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
To: "Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)" <patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>
Cc: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org, live-demo
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Hi Patrick,
Great to hear your interest in including NASA Worldwind on OSGeo-Live. 
We have recently put out a call for new projects wishing to be included 
in the next release [1].
If you are interested, and have volunteer(s) willing to put in the 
effort to integrate with OSGeo-Live, then could you please apply as per [2]

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_62
[2] 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive

On 28/11/2015 8:39 pm, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Thanks Patrick, Venka. This is exactly what we want to happen. We want to warmly welcome new projects who follow open principles in geospatial to OSGeo.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
> From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov]
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:44 AM
> To: geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship
>
> Venka,
>
> We would be delighted to see WorldWind included as part of the OSGEO package!
> https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WebWorldWind
> https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindJava
> Thanks for suggesting it!
> As have Suchith, Charlie and Phil, and others in various ways.
>
> NASA has a motto, 'for the benefit of all.'
> This open source software surely speaks well to that.
> The past few years of the Europe Challenge have been dedicated to encouraging students to do useful ^open source^ things with it for society.
> And all of that still stands there today, thanks to the generous support of that 2015 Sol Katz soul kitten, Prof Maria Antonia Brovelli.
> http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
>
> -Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:31 AM
> To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship
>
> On 2015/11/27 3:04, Phillip Davis wrote:
> Open source tools, like NASA WorldWind, are not supported nor developed by OSGeo, but clearly come under the banner of G4A.
>
> I think that is the same as what I have said. Also, "NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3" under which WorldWind is released is compatible with  OSI-certified open source license [1].
>
> Would be great if it could be included as a part of the OSGeo-Live package.
>
> Best
> Venka
>
> [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3
> ________________________________________
> From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> Venkatesh Raghavan [raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:02 PM
> To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will
> be needed: geo4all Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] relationship
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am traveling now and haven't had time to go through all the mails in this thread. Maybe what I say below could be a bit off-topic.
>
> OSGeo as a foundation has been inclusive and diverse. This is evident from the presentations at our FOSS4G events of contents the our
> OSGeo-Live which include several software projects that are not OSGeo projects.
>
> I think Geo4All takes up a similar position as our FOSS4G events and OSGeo-Live to include projects that are not a part of OSGeo.
>
> I have noticed some comments to the effect that OSGeo seems to about OSGeo "products" and I do not think that is true (as evident from our FOSS4G events and OSGeo Live package).
>
> There has also been some talk about where do we draw a line on what we can include under the umbrella of Geo4All. I believe that Geo4All is an initiative to promote Free and Open Source Geospatial Software. So any geospatial software that requires a proprietary software or library to be installed before it can be executed can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All.
>
> Also, any software that is not made available under a valid Open Source License can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All, I think.
>
> Geo4All as an integral part of OSGeo (Scenario 1 and 1B) or OSGeo being one of the "partners" of OSGeo is something that the Geo4All advisory board has to decide.
>
> OSGeo as a foundation, has a priority of supporting/promoting software that are its integral part.
> OSGeo has no issues with other open source software "products" being a part of events and initiatives supported/fostered by OSGeo.
>
> I would also like to mention that OSGeo student awards that were presented at FOSS4G-2015 are for innovative use of OSGeo "products" and as a foundation it is one of ways to promote wider use of OSGeo "products".
>
> Does ICA or ISPRS have some in-house projects or initiatives that need to be included as a part of Geo4All initiative? Or is there some compelling reason why Geo4All needs to be an independent initiatives despite fact that the "partners" have concluded an MoU to be "equal" partners in promoting Free and Open Software, Data, Standards for Geospatial Education?
>
> As I have mentioned before, Scenario 1 reflects what is presently shown in the OSGeo and Geo4All websites. Scenario 1B is a variant and only does away with the OSGeo Edu Committee. And my preference would be for either 1 or 1B over Scenario 2.
>
> Best
> Venka
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>
> On 2015/11/27 0:05, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>
> +1
>
> 2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl <arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net작성:
>
> Dear OSGeo Board,
> if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education
> Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right?
> This is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because
> will probably not work.
>
> In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go,
> otherwise chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same
> time I am absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on
> good, solid Open Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If
> Geo4All were something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would
> absolutely push for joining and supporting the initiative. Does this make any sense?
>
> Geo4All Advisory Board,
> I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it
> is the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore
> the natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology
> for education.
>
> Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle path.
> I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.
> This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want
> to achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming
> in) this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or
> funding or volunteers).
>
> Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act
> as OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka, Helena).
>
> Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would
> make more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo
> is trying to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see
> us "let go of it" and at the same time have the confidence that it
> will always stick with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid
> involvement from OSGeo folks and simply because our Open Source
> software is the core asset for the labs.
>
> Best regards,
> Arnulf
>
> On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:
>
> Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am
> sure with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best solution.
> As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official
> projects and keep  partnership with educational (and research)
> efforts with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We
> need to keep doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.
>
> Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and
> also good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of OSGeo's growth.
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> *From:* GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org]
>    on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler [jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM
> *To:* GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> Hi all,
> I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However
> I would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of
> change onto the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by
> step. Options 1B and 2 are not optimal I think.
> Greeting,
> Jeroen
>
>
> Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan
> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
> <mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> I prefer  Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the
> information presently available on the OSGeo Website. I think
> Scenario 1 is less confusion as it also clarifies the status of
> former Edu Committee.
>
> Best
> Venka
>
> On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.
>
> I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote
> OSGeo and OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure
> we keep strong partnership with educational (and research)
> efforts with other projects like NASA WorldWind.
>
> But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong
> open geospatial science and education collaboration.
>
> Cheers,
> Charlie
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna
> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi Suchith,
>
> I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option
> only works if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on
> OSGeo as its education committee.  This document was drafted
> because it seems that GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is
> for education, may not always have OSGeo in their interests (as
> many GeoForAll members have stated recently, that they should
> not be forced to promote OSGeo, they should have a choice).
> Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a
> committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo.
>
> So option1b can only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees
> to always promote OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.
>
> So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b,
> please realize that this would mean that GeoForAll would be
> responsible for always promoting OSGeo.
>
> So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus,
> is it OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because
> it promotes "open" through many different tools and organizations.
>
> Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want
> GeoForAll to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a
> committee/group/initiative to always be out there promoting OSGeo.
> If this is a problem, then Option 1b unfortunately will not work.
>
> I hope this explanation helps.
>
> -jeff
>
> On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>
> Hi Phillip,
>
> Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then  in this scenario
> Geo4All would be required to name an officer who would liaise
> with the OSGeo Board (as every other OSGeo committee does).
> Then my suggestion is that someone who is an OSGeo Board member (Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
> ________________________________________
> From: Phillip Davis [pdavis at delmar.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM
> To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova;
> GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
> [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps
> GeoForAll unique identity.  Option 1b provides more autonomy
> for GeoForAll, but the requirement for an officer is somewhat
> problematic, since that would be more or less permanent and might entail much footwork?
>
> My vote is 1a.
>
> Dr. Phillip Davis
> Director GeoAcademy (http://fossgeo.org)
> Professor: Del Mar College Department of Computer
> Science-Engineering-Advanced Technology Program Lead:
> Geographic Information System & Cartography - Geospatial
> Technology Program
> 101 Baldwin, VB 153 | Corpus Christi, TX 78404
> 361.698.1476 | 361.698.1475 | 361.698.1479 fax
> pdavis at delmar.edu
>
> ALL THESE WORLDS…ARE YOURS…EXCEPT TEXAS…ATTEMPT NO LANDING
> THERE
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GeoForAll-ab
> [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of
> Suchith Anand
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
> [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote
> on their choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.
>
> Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on  Regional
> chairs being constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure
> if there is a majority vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
> ________________________________________
> From: Helena Mitasova [hmitaso at ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: Suchith Anand
> Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board]
> geo4all relationship
>
> Suchith,
>
> thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship <
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationshipdocument to the community.
> I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat
> buried in the forwarded email where it could be overlooked.
> I am resending it at least for the advisory board because after
> discussion a decision and vote on one of the options (perhaps with some revisions) will be needed.
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>
> Helena
>
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <
> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.ukwrote:
>
> Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and
> forwarding to Geo4All advisory Board and community.
>
> Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,
>
> Recently there had been  discussions on the future directions
> for Geo4All  .There were different opinions and hence we
> arranged a meeting at Como to discuss this and find a way
> forward. Following lot of discussions among our members in our
> mail lists  etc and the meeting at Como[1] that was led by
> Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and
> Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll:
> OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo
> website at http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also
> presented this outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will
> continue to be inclusive and include all partners that OSGeo
> Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All
> education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles.
>
> Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up
> OSGeo's education aims by collaborating with like minded
> organisations and it is one of the most successful initiatives
> that we have undertaken. OSGeo Board has made separate MoUs
> with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and
> universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have
> trusted the MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined
> the network , so it is important we provide strong continuity and focus.
> MoUs have to be respected and the momentum created need to build upon
> with clear direction and focus.
>
> It is important that proper structures are in place and steps
> need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll
> as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS
> and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will
> also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this
> is build upon for the future.
>
> Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education
> activities globally .Members have been running
> courses,training events,workshops using OSGeo software, MOOC
> programs (that benefitted thousands of students
> globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally.
> Geo4All members have been actively contributing to OSGeo
> Curriculum development effort and will continue to expand this
> by having more course materials in various OSGeo software
> added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make use of for their teaching and education.
>
> We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have
> MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education
> initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the
> principles. That way the OSGeo Board will be able to keep
> expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .
>
> So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to
> GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with
> ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
> This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon for the future.
>
> There are some steps that are outlined below and looking
> through the options - Scenario 1 seems to  be best option
> based on the Como discussions for ensure the smooth transition
> to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with
> ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
>
> In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include
> representatives from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All
> Advisory Board comprises of representatives from ICA, ISPRS,
> OSGeo and other organisations that join in future. As a
> partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering
> Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education
> and Curriculum
> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of
> Geo4All) need to be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation.
> The PSC could liaise with Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way
> and means to achieve mutual goals and objectives.
>
> Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum Project)
> and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All)
> please let us know if you are happy to being
> constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure?
>
> May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send
> their suggestions on this, so we can  move forward. It is
> important that proper structures are in place and steps need
> to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as
> OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and
> other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also
> make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is
> built upon for the future.
> Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
>
> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting
>
> [2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
>
>
> From: Board [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody
> Garnett [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> I have added an entry to our wiki for:
>
> Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of
> GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board
>
> Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on
> the GeoForAll advisory board.
>
> Thank you for taking on what is an important
> relationship for our foundation objectives.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:15:26 +0000
From: "Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)" <patrick.hogan at nasa.gov>
To: "ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org" <ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT -
    feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship
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Cameron,

Howdy! 
I appreciate the guidance but simply do not have the bandwidth,
resources or "the volunteers" for the additional 'grooming' required by 
"How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive" [2].

OSGEO is welcome to use or include this technology 
in any way conducive to their purpose, 'live' or by proxy:
https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WebWorldWind
https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindJava

My humble apologies for not being able to do more. 

WorldWind is there, free and OSGEO open for anyone to leverage as desired.

-Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Shorter [mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:37 AM
To: Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX)
Cc: ica-osgeo-labs at lists.osgeo.org; live-demo
Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: geo4all relationship

Hi Patrick,
Great to hear your interest in including NASA Worldwind on OSGeo-Live. 
We have recently put out a call for new projects wishing to be included in the next release [1].
If you are interested, and have volunteer(s) willing to put in the effort to integrate with OSGeo-Live, then could you please apply as per [2]

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_62
[2]
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive

On 28/11/2015 8:39 pm, Suchith Anand wrote:
> Thanks Patrick, Venka. This is exactly what we want to happen. We want to warmly welcome new projects who follow open principles in geospatial to OSGeo.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Suchith
>
>
>
> From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of 
> Hogan, Patrick (ARC-PX) [patrick.hogan at nasa.gov]
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:44 AM
> To: geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will 
> be needed: geo4all relationship
>
> Venka,
>
> We would be delighted to see WorldWind included as part of the OSGEO package!
> https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WebWorldWind
> https://github.com/NASAWorldWind/WorldWindJava
> Thanks for suggesting it!
> As have Suchith, Charlie and Phil, and others in various ways.
>
> NASA has a motto, 'for the benefit of all.'
> This open source software surely speaks well to that.
> The past few years of the Europe Challenge have been dedicated to encouraging students to do useful ^open source^ things with it for society.
> And all of that still stands there today, thanks to the generous support of that 2015 Sol Katz soul kitten, Prof Maria Antonia Brovelli.
> http://eurochallenge.como.polimi.it/
>
> -Patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GeoForAll-ab [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On 
> Behalf Of Venkatesh Raghavan
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 10:31 AM
> To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will 
> be needed: geo4all relationship
>
> On 2015/11/27 3:04, Phillip Davis wrote:
> Open source tools, like NASA WorldWind, are not supported nor developed by OSGeo, but clearly come under the banner of G4A.
>
> I think that is the same as what I have said. Also, "NASA OPEN SOURCE AGREEMENT VERSION 1.3" under which WorldWind is released is compatible with  OSI-certified open source license [1].
>
> Would be great if it could be included as a part of the OSGeo-Live package.
>
> Best
> Venka
>
> [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/NASA-1.3
> ________________________________________
> From: GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of 
> Venkatesh Raghavan [raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:02 PM
> To: OSGeo Board; geoforall-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will 
> be needed: geo4all Re: [geoforall-ab] [Board] relationship
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am traveling now and haven't had time to go through all the mails in this thread. Maybe what I say below could be a bit off-topic.
>
> OSGeo as a foundation has been inclusive and diverse. This is evident 
> from the presentations at our FOSS4G events of contents the our OSGeo-Live which include several software projects that are not OSGeo projects.
>
> I think Geo4All takes up a similar position as our FOSS4G events and OSGeo-Live to include projects that are not a part of OSGeo.
>
> I have noticed some comments to the effect that OSGeo seems to about OSGeo "products" and I do not think that is true (as evident from our FOSS4G events and OSGeo Live package).
>
> There has also been some talk about where do we draw a line on what we can include under the umbrella of Geo4All. I believe that Geo4All is an initiative to promote Free and Open Source Geospatial Software. So any geospatial software that requires a proprietary software or library to be installed before it can be executed can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All.
>
> Also, any software that is not made available under a valid Open Source License can neither be a part of OSGeo nor Geo4All, I think.
>
> Geo4All as an integral part of OSGeo (Scenario 1 and 1B) or OSGeo being one of the "partners" of OSGeo is something that the Geo4All advisory board has to decide.
>
> OSGeo as a foundation, has a priority of supporting/promoting software that are its integral part.
> OSGeo has no issues with other open source software "products" being a part of events and initiatives supported/fostered by OSGeo.
>
> I would also like to mention that OSGeo student awards that were presented at FOSS4G-2015 are for innovative use of OSGeo "products" and as a foundation it is one of ways to promote wider use of OSGeo "products".
>
> Does ICA or ISPRS have some in-house projects or initiatives that need to be included as a part of Geo4All initiative? Or is there some compelling reason why Geo4All needs to be an independent initiatives despite fact that the "partners" have concluded an MoU to be "equal" partners in promoting Free and Open Software, Data, Standards for Geospatial Education?
>
> As I have mentioned before, Scenario 1 reflects what is presently shown in the OSGeo and Geo4All websites. Scenario 1B is a variant and only does away with the OSGeo Edu Committee. And my preference would be for either 1 or 1B over Scenario 2.
>
> Best
> Venka
>
> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>
> On 2015/11/27 0:05, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>
> +1
>
> 2015. 11. 26., 오후 8:36, Arnulf Christl <arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net작성:
>
> Dear OSGeo Board,
> if OSGeo does not manage to reactivate/reinvigorate the Education 
> Committee, then we will not have one. OSGeo is a do-ocracy, right?
> This is how OSGeo functions. Forcing something in place just because 
> will probably not work.
>
> In my opinion we should let Geo4All go where it wants to go, otherwise 
> chances are high we restrict it's potential. At the same time I am 
> absolutely sure that Geo4All will continue to focus on good, solid 
> Open Source software as we promote it through OSGeo. If Geo4All were 
> something that emerged "outside" of OSGeo then I would absolutely push 
> for joining and supporting the initiative. Does this make any sense?
>
> Geo4All Advisory Board,
> I would like to keep the close bounds to OSGeo - simply because it is 
> the Open Source compass for geospatial Open Source and therefore the 
> natural place to go to for selecting best practice technology for 
> education.
>
> Wrt. to the lab name "Geo4All Partners" sounds like a good middle path.
> I would refrain from externalizing Geo4All as a separate legal entity.
> This will only eat up resources and divert energy from what we want to 
> achieve. Maybe at a later stage (and with too much funding coming
> in) this may make sense, right now I do not really see the need (or 
> funding or volunteers).
>
> Having responsible and thoroughly "Open Source" educated people act as 
> OSGeo liaison officer totally makes sense (as suggested Venka, Helena).
>
> Which option does this best map to? Not sure, seems like 2 would make 
> more sense? I do believe that option 1 and 1b look like OSGeo is 
> trying to "grab a hold of" Geo4All. Instead I would like to see us 
> "let go of it" and at the same time have the confidence that it will 
> always stick with OSGeo's mission, because there is solid involvement 
> from OSGeo folks and simply because our Open Source software is the 
> core asset for the labs.
>
> Best regards,
> Arnulf
>
> On 18.11.2015 08:01, Suchith Anand wrote:
>
> Thanks Jeff, Charlie, Venka, Jeroen for your inputs and ideas. I am 
> sure with the combined wisdom of everyone , we will find the best solution.
> As Charlie said we can keep promoting OSGeo and all OSGeo official 
> projects and keep  partnership with educational (and research) efforts 
> with other open projects (who might one day join OSGeo). We need to 
> keep doors of collaborations open as it is key for growth.
>
> Building Bridges (the theme of FOSS4G Bonn) is very appropriate and 
> also good point to think for next stage (10th Anniversary) of OSGeo's growth.
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> *From:* GeoForAll-ab [geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org]
>    on behalf of Jeroen Ticheler [jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:47 AM
> *To:* GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> *Subject:* Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be 
> needed: [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> Hi all,
> I prefer option 1 as it seems to be the logical next step. However I 
> would suggest the OSGeo board to not force a big process of change 
> onto the geo4all committee. This transition could go step by step. 
> Options 1B and 2 are not optimal I think.
> Greeting,
> Jeroen
>
>
> Op 18 nov. 2015 om 02:11 heeft Venkatesh Raghavan 
> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp <mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> I prefer  Scenario 1 as it reflects more closely to the information 
> presently available on the OSGeo Website. I think Scenario 1 is less 
> confusion as it also clarifies the status of former Edu Committee.
>
> Best
> Venka
>
> On 2015/11/18 6:17, Charles Schweik wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think I'd like to hear the opinions of others.
>
> I lean toward 1b and want to keep rules 'lean'. I want to promote 
> OSGeo and OSGeo official projects, but I also want to make sure we 
> keep strong partnership with educational (and research) efforts with 
> other projects like NASA WorldWind.
>
> But I don't want rules around organization hinder good strong open 
> geospatial science and education collaboration.
>
> Cheers,
> Charlie
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jeff McKenna 
> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi Suchith,
>
> I actually wrote option 1b, so I can tell you that this option only 
> works if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to focus on OSGeo as 
> its education committee.  This document was drafted because it seems 
> that GeoForAll, as great as the initiative is for education, may not 
> always have OSGeo in their interests (as many GeoForAll members have 
> stated recently, that they should not be forced to promote OSGeo, they 
> should have a choice).
> Well, this document was created because OSGeo really needs a 
> committee/existing initiative to always promote OSGeo.
>
> So option1b can only work if the entire GeoForAll initiative agrees to 
> always promote OSGeo, as its education "arm" of the foundation.
>
> So before you overwhelmingly choose option 1b, please realize that 
> this would mean that GeoForAll would be responsible for always 
> promoting OSGeo.
>
> So maybe GeoForAll needs to debate what is actually its focus, is it 
> OSGeo, or, is it in fact nothing to do with OSGeo, because it promotes 
> "open" through many different tools and organizations.
>
> Personally, I want Option 1b, but at the same time, I also want 
> GeoForAll to realize that the OSGeo foundation needs a 
> committee/group/initiative to always be out there promoting OSGeo.
> If this is a problem, then Option 1b unfortunately will not work.
>
> I hope this explanation helps.
>
> -jeff
>
> On 2015-11-17 4:34 PM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>
> Hi Phillip,
>
> Yes, if Option 1b gets more votes, then  in this scenario Geo4All 
> would be required to name an officer who would liaise with the OSGeo 
> Board (as every other OSGeo committee does).
> Then my suggestion is that someone who is an OSGeo Board member (Venka or Helena) is nominated for this role.
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
> ________________________________________
> From: Phillip Davis [pdavis at delmar.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:02 PM
> To: Suchith Anand; Helena Mitasova;
> GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: RE: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
> [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> Looks like 1a provides easiest implementation path and keeps GeoForAll 
> unique identity.  Option 1b provides more autonomy for GeoForAll, but 
> the requirement for an officer is somewhat problematic, since that 
> would be more or less permanent and might entail much footwork?
>
> My vote is 1a.
>
> Dr. Phillip Davis
> Director GeoAcademy (http://fossgeo.org)
> Professor: Del Mar College Department of Computer 
> Science-Engineering-Advanced Technology Program Lead:
> Geographic Information System & Cartography - Geospatial Technology 
> Program
> 101 Baldwin, VB 153 | Corpus Christi, TX 78404
> 361.698.1476 | 361.698.1475 | 361.698.1479 fax pdavis at delmar.edu
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GeoForAll-ab
> [mailto:geoforall-ab-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Suchith 
> Anand
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: Helena Mitasova; GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [geoforall-ab] IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed:
> [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> Thanks Helena. Please all AB members provide feedback and vote on 
> their choice of scenario by 30th Nov 2015.
>
> Also Regional Chairs please inform your views on  Regional chairs 
> being constituted within the OSGeo Foundation structure if there is a 
> majority vote for Scenario 1? Yes/No
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
> ________________________________________
> From: Helena Mitasova [hmitaso at ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:41 PM
> To: GeoForAll-ab at lists.osgeo.org
> Cc: Suchith Anand
> Subject: IMPORTANT - feedback and vote will be needed: [Board] geo4all 
> relationship
>
> Suchith,
>
> thanks for presenting the GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship < 
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationshipdocument to the community.
> I noticed that the link to the actual document was somewhat buried in 
> the forwarded email where it could be overlooked.
> I am resending it at least for the advisory board because after 
> discussion a decision and vote on one of the options (perhaps with some revisions) will be needed.
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship
>
> Helena
>
> On Nov 17, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Suchith Anand <
> Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.ukwrote:
>
> Thanks Jody . I have added more details into the wiki and forwarding 
> to Geo4All advisory Board and community.
>
> Dear Geo4All Advisory Board and Regional chairs,
>
> Recently there had been  discussions on the future directions for 
> Geo4All  .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a 
> meeting at Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot 
> of discussions among our members in our mail lists  etc and the 
> meeting at Como[1] that was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was 
> that OSGeo Education and Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the 
> same and it is now GeoForAll:
> OSGeo's Education and Curriculum Effort as reflected in OSGeo website 
> at http://www.osgeo.org/education . Venka has also presented this 
> outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive 
> and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding 
> this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome everyone 
> who are following the principles.
>
> Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's 
> education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it 
> is one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken. 
> OSGeo Board has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for 
> expanding Geo4All and universities,SMEs, government organisations etc 
> worldwide have trusted the MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and 
> joined the network , so it is important we provide strong continuity 
> and focus.
> MoUs have to be respected and the momentum created need to build upon 
> with clear direction and focus.
>
> It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to 
> be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's 
> Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other 
> organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the 
> efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon for the 
> future.
>
> Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities 
> globally .Members have been running courses,training events,workshops 
> using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of 
> students
> globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally.
> Geo4All members have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum 
> development effort and will continue to expand this by having more 
> course materials in various OSGeo software added to the OSGeo 
> education repository for everyone to make use of for their teaching and education.
>
> We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs 
> with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly 
> welcome everyone who are following the principles. That way the OSGeo 
> Board will be able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs 
> with other organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .
>
> So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll 
> as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other 
> organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
> This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  volunteers for this is build upon for the future.
>
> There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the 
> options - Scenario 1 seems to  be best option based on the Como 
> discussions for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's 
> Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other 
> organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
>
> In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives 
> from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board 
> comprises of representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other 
> organisations that join in future. As a partner in the Geo4All 
> initiative, a Project Steering Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo 
> Foundation (Education and Curriculum
> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of
> Geo4All) need to be constituted within the OSGeo Foundation.
> The PSC could liaise with Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and 
> means to achieve mutual goals and objectives.
>
> Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum 
> Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) 
> please let us know if you are happy to being constituted within the 
> OSGeo Foundation structure?
>
> May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their 
> suggestions on this, so we can  move forward. It is important that 
> proper structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure 
> the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep 
> collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has 
> MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of  
> volunteers for this is built upon for the future.
> Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.
>
> Best wishes,
> Suchith
>
> [1] 
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting
>
> [2] http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2
>
>
> From: Board [board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Jody Garnett 
> [jody.garnett at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:25 PM
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: [Board] geo4all relationship
>
> I have added an entry to our wiki for:
>
> Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of GeoForAll 
> OSGeo Relationship with Geo4All advisory board
>
> Venkatesh Raghavan and Jeff McKenna are our representatives on the 
> GeoForAll advisory board.
>
> Thank you for taking on what is an important relationship for our 
> foundation objectives.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
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