[Incubator] cleaning house

[Arnulf Christl (OSGeo)]

On Mon, October 26, 2009 01:39, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Arnulf Christl (WhereGroup)
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, October 25, 2009 13:11, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>
>>> Really? Infrastructure was always mentioned as optional to me.
>>>
>>
>> I was unclear. I meant to say that projects make an effort to tie into
>> the communication ('infrastructure') of OSGeo. To me this includes using
>> the OSGeo Wiki for persistent, easily accessible information with full
>> history. Keeping this information on hard and software outside of the
>> control of OSGeo feels incorrect.
>
> Note that some projects (OpenLayers, for example), do not do this in any
> way that I'm aware of.
>
> -- Chris

On one hand I meant to say "using OSGeo communication channels, chats,
Wiki, community, etc". which is why I put the "infrastructure" in quotes.
And yes, OpenLayers is very visible throughout OSGeo even although it is
not using its technical infrastructure. But it could be better, for
example by maintaining basic information in the the Wiki and website info
sheet.
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenLayers

It was never a requirement to have all projects with a short article on
the Wiki but I think it does not hurt either.

For other things like documentation of governance structures etc. I do
think that we should have an OSGeo controlled server for a set of core
documents like we have in paper form for code assignment. This could go
into the Incubator requirements. ...I can can already hear complaints to
not bother developers with unimportant bureaucracy. But eventually we will
have to do it anyway. The sooner we start with it the less pain it will
cause.

Lets see what our Incubation Committee comes up with (maybe IncCom becomes
ProjCom 2.0).

Arnulf.

>>> I am
>>> more interested in marketing / branding opportunities.
>>>
>>> I agree that things need to be kept up to date; is this something we
>>> could ask for in the annual report projects make to the board?
>>
>> Yes, definitely. This is approved policy but not well enforced.
>>
>>
>>> It is also
>>> not clear to me if the marketing committee will collect new flyer
>>
>> "It is expected" that projects maintain minimal information on the info
>>  sheet of the main web site at http://www.osgeo.org/<project-name> as
>> for example here: http://www.osgeo.org/mapserver
>>
>>
>>> information from the projects or if the incubation committee is
>>> expected to play this role.
>>
>> It is in the interest of the projects to provide this information.
>> Failing
>> to do so should result in the projects being removed from the website.
>> This is not yet official policy but I am inclined to make a motion on
>> that behalf.
>>
>> The incubation committee will in future have to address maintenance of
>> graduated projects. (I bring this topic up every few months. One day
>> someone will hopefully pick it up and discuss these ideas here).
>>
>> Arnulf.
>>
>>
>>> Jody
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25/10/2009, at 10:20 PM, Arnulf Christl (WhereGroup) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> One core thing about incubation is to get people use OSGeo
>>>> infrastructure as it will enhance inter project communication and
>>>> provide more transparency. The overhead in creating an OSGeo Wiki
>>>> account is sort of not so big.
>>>>
>>>> I still think that it is a good idea to ask of projects that they
>>>> maintain their incubation status page up to date on a regular basis
>>>> and that they also update the code provenance page. It is not asking
>>>> too much.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Arnulf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, October 25, 2009 08:51, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> One objection. The people who need to fill in the information
>>>>> usually have their own wiki and permissions and taking things out
>>>>> to our wiki significantly limits the volunteer effort that can be
>>>>> brought to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to read it. Not write it.
>>>>> (we could take a PDF of the result)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jody
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/10/2009, at 12:05 PM, Arnulf Christl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, October 9, 2009 00:44, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at the list here:
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/query?status=new&status=assigned&s
>>>>>>> tatu s=re ope
>>>>>>> ned&component=Incubator&keywords=~application&order=priority
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like PostGIS application is still open?
>>>>>>> - http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/349
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jody
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was sure to have updated that ticket - I must have screwed up
>>>>>>  somewhere. Fixed now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest to have incubating projects work more in the OSGeo
>>>>>> Wiki
>>>>>> like previous incubations did (see for example GRASS and
>>>>>> Mapbender
>>>>>> status and code provenance reviews). It makes it easier for the
>>>>>> broader community to follow and we get regular feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Arnulf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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