[Incubator] rasdaman incubation?

Jody Garnett jody.garnett at gmail.com
Wed Dec 8 18:24:41 EST 2010

Morning Peter:

I signed up to the mailing lists; in anticipation of helping Bruce mentor the project through incubation. Although the issue of committers  is relevant for project health; I am more keeping my eye out for external input with respect to planning.

Perhaps some members of your user community would welcome input in change procedures and project direction. GeoTools example often recruits from active users that are answering questions on the user list (even if they don't directly work on the core library).


On 05/12/2010, at 6:11 AM, Baumann, Peter wrote:

> So your argument seems to say, in the end, that further external committers need to be found. Totally agreed from my side. Would such a broadening of maintenance settle your concerns?
> -Peter
> ________________________________________
> From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 4:30 AM
> To: Baumann, Peter
> Cc: Bruce Bannerman; OSGeo-incubator
> Subject: Re: Is rasdaman suitable/ready for OSGeo incubation?
> Peter,
> The (possibly incorrect) understanding I have is that you, being one
> person, have been the central driver behind rasdaman, sometimes under
> the banner of the university and sometimes under your company.
> However, my key concern from OSGeo's point of view is that the current
> link with a proprietary license will hinder growth of a robust community.
> Other OSGeo Incubation members may suggest otherwise.
> On 04/12/10 13:51, Baumann, Peter wrote:
>> Cameron,
>> thanks for all the effort and serious considerations put into your looking at rasdaman. I am very grateful about our discussion - among others, it has shown me that the description provided on www.rasdaman.org needs refinement and clarification. I have attempted to go into that immediately with the "feature matrix" as a start, but other places will have to undergo a check as well.
>> About the licensing, let me correct some false impression. The open-source rasdaman code is _not_ maintained by a company, but by a university. So the conclusion that further development of rasdaman would depend on one company is wrong in two respects:
>> - it is not one, but two entities supporting rasdaman
>> - it is not a company which is the main promoter of open source rasdaman, but a university
>> Hope that helps to clarify situation a bit. I feel it very fruitful that now we have come to a discussion, hope we can continue this fruitful exchange.
>> Regards,
>> Peter
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:40 AM
>> To: Baumann, Peter; Bruce Bannerman; OSGeo-incubator
>> Subject: Is rasdaman suitable/ready for OSGeo incubation?
>> I had the pleasure this week of meeting Peter Baumann, the primary
>> author behind rasdaman [1], a dual licensed raster processing
>> application. Along with Bruce Bannerman, we discussed rasdaman's
>> application for OSGeo application (initiated 18 months ago).
>> Understandably, Peter noted some frustration by the lack of progress
>> moving toward OSGeo Incubation.
>> Since talking to Peter, I've looked at rasdaman further, and think that
>> rasdaman has some great functionality, but I'm concerned that the
>> current dual license will hamper uptake from the open source community.
>> Radaman is provided via an open source community edition, and then has
>> extensions which are in a proprietary enterprise edition. [2] My concern
>> is the dual license will substantially reduce the number of developers
>> prepared to grow the rasdaman developer community, as there will be a
>> feeling that the prime developer will only maintain and advance the
>> enterprise version.
>> One of the key goals for incubation is to build a robust developer
>> community, with contributors from multiple organisations, and to have
>> the project grow sustainably. As it stands, I think that rasdaman's
>> licence model will make the project dependent upon the organisation
>> offering the enterprise software, which is counter to some of OSGeo
>> principles.
>> Peter,
>> I understand the challenge of finding a suitable business model and
>> deciding whether to go down the proprietary or open source route. Yes,
>> with Open Source you do get significant marketing reach and having
>> others share development costs. Alternatively, with proprietary, you can
>> charge for software. If you wish to try to achieve both, then you will
>> likely end up having to write most/all software yourself, which doesn't
>> align with OSGeo goals of building a robust developer community.
>> This may be a reason why people on the incubation committee have not
>> pushed rasdaman forward further.
>> If you wish to continue with OSGeo incubation, I would suggest
>> considering adjusting your licence model.
>> [1] http://rasdaman.eecs.jacobs-university.de/trac/rasdaman
>> [2] http://rasdaman.eecs.jacobs-university.de/trac/rasdaman/wiki/Features
>> --
>> Cameron Shorter
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