[Incubator] Re: Speak up if you think the draft "Project Graduation Checklist" has any remaining issues

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Sun Mar 4 05:16:26 EST 2012


On 04/03/12 15:21, Jody Garnett wrote:
> Thanks Cameron that looks great.
>
> The only thing I am tempted to do is:
> * Either: Place all the "italics" clarifying the intent at the end of 
> each section - or isolate them into a FAQ.

Jody, I'm nervous about this suggestion, as I think it will make the 
process of reading the document disjointed and difficult, as readers 
would need to jump from checklist, to FAQ, then back to checklist again.

> This would make the page more of a checklist; and give us an avenue 
> for further clarification in the future.
> * Or: Double check that all examples are marked in italics
>
> For now I will double check all examples are in italics; and await 
> your feedback about taking the clarifications out of line with the 
> main checklist.

My preference is to be making use of italics as you suggest.

>
> Jody
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Cameron Shorter 
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I've updated the draft "Project Graduation Checklist", in line
>     with comments from the last incom meeting.
>     If anyone has any outstanding comments on this document, can you
>     please say so.
>     I'd like to see it approved at the next Incom meeting.
>
>     Latest draft here:
>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft&oldid=61029
>     <http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft&oldid=61029>
>
>     Diffs to last review:
>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft&action=historysubmit&diff=61029&oldid=59953
>     <http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php?title=Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft&action=historysubmit&diff=61029&oldid=59953>
>
>     My notes against the meeting logs below:
>
>     13:34:51     jgarnett:     Back to agenda .. 4 ) Graduation
>     Checklist - review and approve
>     13:35:00     jgarnett:     Readable copy here:
>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Draft_Project_Graduation_Checklist_Draft
>     13:35:01     sigq:     Title: Draft Project Graduation Checklist
>     Draft - OSGeo Wiki ( at wiki.osgeo.org <http://wiki.osgeo.org> )
>     13:35:19     jgarnett:     Can I ask if anyone has had a chance to
>     review this? ( Or the earlier red shifted version )
>     13:35:46     pspencer_:     minor comments: the Intellectual
>     Property section first sentence makes no sense with the bullets
>     that follow?
>     13:36:50     jgarnett:     let me try and keep up
>     13:37:22     jgarnett:     pspencer_: The first sentence is about
>     all that made sence to me ( that is the reason we are checking; to
>     ensure we are able to release )
>     13:37:39     jgarnett:     under processes the bullet points are
>     supposed to describe what we look for in the developer guide
>
>     Pagameba has corrected:
>     "We need to ensure that project owns or otherwise has obtained the
>     ability to release:"
>     to:
>     "We need to ensure that project owns or otherwise has obtained the
>     ability to release the project code by completing the following
>     steps:"
>
>     13:35:56     :     * FrankW_ has reviewed.
>     13:36:08     pspencer_:     under processes, should the last two
>     bullets be numbers instead?
>
>     CameronShorter: I'd like to see a list like:
>     1. xxx
>     2. xxx
>     3. xxx
>     3.1 xxx
>     3.2 xxx
>
>     Howerver, unless we hard code the list numbers, media wiki only
>     allows:
>     1. xxx
>     2. xxx
>     3. xxx
>        1. xxx
>        2. xxx
>
>     I think this second option is not very good, hence rolling back to
>     lists of:
>     1. xxx
>     2. xxx
>     3. xxx
>         *. xxx
>         *. xxx
>
>     pspencer, if you fell strongly enough about this to push for a
>     change, then feel free to suggest your preference.
>
>     13:36:21     jsanz:     the intellectual property point 4 makes
>     not a lot of sense to me
>     13:36:53     FrankW_:     I agree with jsanz that IP point 4
>     should be struck
>     13:38:22     jgarnett:     jsanz: Apache retains the ability for
>     the their foundation to shut off downloads in the event a legal
>     complaint is made; this is to prevent an escalating damages
>     calculation and to show the ability of acting in good faith.
>     13:38:41     jgarnett:     ( not saying I like that; just that is
>     something to consider in terms of protecting the foundations …
>     a$$sets )
>     13:38:49     FrankW_:     I don't see any need for a project to do
>     something in advance to enable this.
>     13:39:02     FrankW_:     If something comes up then reasonable
>     efforts would be made to withdraw downloads.
>     13:39:10     jsanz:     they mean shut off THEIR download servers,
>     right?
>     13:39:46     jgarnett:     FrankW: I think the check about
>     downloads is more to have a procedure in place.
>     13:40:03     pspencer_:     sounds like documenting how the
>     project will deal with blocking legal issues is needed
>     13:40:10     FrankW_:     I am not aware of any project with an
>     a-priori procedure in place nor do I see any special need for this.
>     13:40:17     jgarnett:     jsanz: In case you are wondering; we
>     *did* have this happen during the geoTools review ( we found we
>     were distributing some jars we were not allowed to and had to
>     withdraw several years with of downloads )
>     13:40:53     jgarnett:     FrankW: I would be fine with removing
>     it; it is really about the board's expectations.
>
>     In line with discussion above, and because I agree with sentement,
>     the following has been removed:
>     "# The project has the ability to shut off downloads if a blocking
>     legal issue is found."
>
>     13:36:22     jgarnett:     heh
>     13:36:26     pspencer_:     typo in Processes #2 ( > at end of
>     sentence )
>     13:36:47     jgarnett:     Some typos may be me trying to reduce
>     the document to readable form ...
>
>     Fixed by Pagameba
>
>
>     13:37:55     FrankW_:     I actually also do not think there
>     should be any discussion of checking for patents.
>     13:39:19     jgarnett:     FrankW: I agree the patent check is
>     bullshit; you need lots of money to do that; and I don't want to
>     see that in a checklist unless the foundation is hiring
>     professionals to do the check.
>
>     CameronShorter: The patent check line is not in our last 1.0
>     version of this document. So already incubated projects will not
>     have passed this criteria. I agree it should be removed.
>
>     Removed: "# The project has checked for inappropriate use of
>     trademark or patents and the results of such checks have been
>     documented."
>
>
>     13:42:01     jgarnett:     Thinking: I am not really keen on
>     having a shared editing session ( since this is supposed to be a
>     meeting )
>     13:42:17     jgarnett:     Suffice to say I think the document is
>     not ready; and I don't think we can make it ready in the next 20 mins.
>     13:42:29     pspencer_:     agreed
>     13:42:47     jgarnett:     With that in mind; could we continue
>     with our meeting. And if people are keen we can return to editing
>     roulette.
>     13:42:57     FrankW_:     ok
>     13:42:58     jsanz:     yes, but I think is pretty good as is
>     13:43:01     jsanz:     ok
>
>     On 10/02/12 10:28, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>     The response was very positive! You can check the IRC log...
>>
>>     We could not approve it in the meeting as:
>>     a) Although I tried to isolate it into a single readable page;
>>     there were still typos.
>>     b) People were still confused about IP checks; and pushed back
>>     about the ability to shut off code (basically an apache thing we
>>     can choose to ignore)
>>
>>     Rather then watch them edit line by line; we proceeded with the
>>     rest of the meeting agenda.
>>
>>     If you want to ask the same question on the incubator list; we
>>     can fix the typos; and line up the IP section with the reality of
>>     a volunteer driven organisation.
>>
>>     -- 
>>     Jody Garnett
>>
>>     On Friday, 10 February 2012 at 6:02 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>
>>>     Hi Jody,
>>>     What were the results of the last incubation committee meeting?
>>>     In particular, I'm interested to know where we are up to with:
>>>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_Graduation_Checklist
>>>
>>>     What still needs to be done to get it approved?
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Cameron Shorter
>>>     Geospatial Solutions Manager
>>>     Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 <tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050>
>>>     Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 <tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254>
>>>
>>>     Think Globally, Fix Locally
>>>     Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
>>>     http://www.lisasoft.com
>>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Cameron Shorter
>     Geospatial Solutions Manager
>     Tel:+61 (0)2 8570 5050  <tel:%2B61%20%280%292%208570%205050>
>     Mob:+61 (0)419 142 254  <tel:%2B61%20%280%29419%20142%20254>
>
>     Think Globally, Fix Locally
>     Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
>     http://www.lisasoft.com
>
>


-- 
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Solutions Manager
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
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