[Incubator] [rasdaman-dev] rasdaman incubation -- OSGeo advice required
Jody Garnett
jody.garnett at gmail.com
Mon Jun 2 03:41:44 PDT 2014
Not sure if we qualify as gurus, the only thing we know how to do is ask
for help when lost :)
I am going to guess that the idea is providing a document that can be used
to verify the checklist? In my experience most of the checking seems to be
against the code provenance review.
In terms of incubation mailing list here:
a) The deegree project impressed everyone with the great level of detail
they went into. As a result there was a very small number of questions for
the size of project.
* deegree Provenance Review
<http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Deegree_Provenance_Review>
b) GeoServer actually went through this checklist, however the wiki has
kind of been shut off so the result is hard to find. Although doing the
code review was stressful and took a long time, a lot of the questions were
abound process.
*
http://rancor.boundlessgeo.com:8080/display/GEOS/GeoServer+Incubation+Checklist
*
http://rancor.boundlessgeo.com:8080/display/GEOS/GeoServer+Provenance+Review
As indicated we just used checkboxes after a while since most of the
answers were in our developers guide.
c) GeoMoose: I mentored this one, and it was a great deal of fun. The
project addressed most issues ... directly on the email list. This was the
only project that had trouble being reviewed once they had done all the
work - eventually we got a wiki page together linking to the email
discussion so everyone could follow along.
* http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoMoose_Incubation_Checklist
I don't think it matters what approach rasdaman uses. The only word of
caution I can offer is that customers and potential contributors do read
this stuff - and will ask questions months and years later. So your primary
audience should be your community (and future community), the incubation
committee can put in a bit of effort to figure out whatever document
rasdaman comes up with.
--
Jody
(Jody, Cameron, Jeff, and others involved in overseeing the incubation
> process: can you please look below, there is a strategic question)
>
> Bruce-
>
> On 05/22/2014 01:55 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> The responses to the criteria will be very specific to the Rasdaman
> Project. Therefore, I don't think that a reference project will help that
> much.
>
>
> we should not aim at establishing a "lex rasdaman" now, but stick with
> what is considered reasonable for other projects, too.
> OSGeo is providing a well thought out rule set to achieve uniform, neutral
> treatment of all incoming projects.
>
> Particularly as the Incubation process has matured over the years.
>
>
> Well, there are current projects under incubation, and they all are in
> pretty much the same situation. Please suggest us any of them.
>
>
> Let's set the benchmark for how future such Incubation Graduation reports
> should be done.
>
>
> Frankly, my understanding of this process is that rasdaman incubates like
> any other project, and not to work on the incubation standards as such. Our
> role is too humble in this - actually, IMHO this is the task of the
> incubation supervisors.
> So can I ask them to chime in - @incubation leaders, what's your take on
> this?
>
>
> The criteria has been clearly defined (IMHO).
>
>
> We started with a clear incubation list indeed, and we feel like we have
> responded to it.
>
> Let me point out that all this administrative work (to avoid bureaucracy)
> is taking away valuable resources from development and assisting users. So
> we should keep a careful balance between what is required, what is useful,
> and what is just nice to have.
>
>
> We just need to respond accordingly.
>
> Let's prepare a first draft and proceed from there.
>
>
> We have been responding for years now to every request, and hope for some
> convergence. This above again feels like an open statement, without any
> clear indicator of when the task will be done.
>
>
> From below:
>
> - provide a short succinct statement that explains the details of how
> Rasdaman meets each requirement.
>
>
> again, this is open ended: what level of detail? I'm willing to do the
> extra work if I can see another project acting as a shining example :)
>
>
> Much of what we will need to reference has already been documented on
> the Rasdaman wiki. We do not need to reproduce the wiki content in the
> document. Just make the case for each criterion and refer readers to the
> appropriate URL for more information.
>
>
> So in a joint effort, please help us better understand what is requested,
> based on the OSGeo provided framework.
>
> thanks,
> Peter
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Peter Baumann <
> p.baumann at jacobs-university.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> great to have you back!
>> To better understand your suggestions below, what reference project in
>> OSGeo could we follow?
>> I am cc'ing to the incubation list for the same question.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/21/2014 12:06 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> The OSGeo Incubation Project Graduation Checklist is at [1].
>>
>> We need to be able to make the case that the Rasdaman Project meets the
>> requirements outlined in this checklist.
>>
>> I suggest that this is best done if we were to construct a concise
>> document that clearly addresses each point of the checklist showing how
>> Rasdaman is ready for graduation, and that contains links back to the
>> authoritative corresponding page within the Rasdaman Project wiki.
>>
>> We currently have at least two pages that refer to the incubation status
>> of Rasdaman [2] and [3].
>>
>> The page at [3] is probably a good starting point.
>>
>> Some suggestions:
>>
>> - treat the the checklist at [1] as a set of requirements that we need
>> to meet. We need to be able to convince the Incubation Committee and the
>> OSGeo Board that the Rasdaman Project is ready for graduation from the
>> Incubation process.Â
>>
>> - provide a short succinct statement that explains the details of how
>> Rasdaman meets each requirement. I don't believe that an icon with a tick
>> will be sufficient to convince people who are unfamiliar with the project
>> that the requirement is met.
>>
>> - There may be follow up work that is also required, e.g. ensuring that
>> we have resolved all outstanding IP issues. As an example, one of the
>> requirements is that all project documentation is available via an open
>> license (e.g. Creative Commons) to ensure that the documentation is
>> available for re-use. How is this handled on both the wiki and also in
>> static documentation.
>>
>> Let's start with an initial draft and work out what needs to be done
>> from there. We may need to set up a Google hangout or two once we've had
>> time to reflect on the draft.
>>
>> Is this sufficient information for now to proceed on?
>>
>> When do you think that we could get a first draft to review?Â
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> I'm sorry about the recent delay from my end, however as I explained
>> recently it has been unavoidable.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html
>>
>> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Rasdaman_Incubation_Status
>>
>> [3] http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19/05/2014 3:45 am, "Peter Baumann" <baumann at rasdaman.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Hi Bruce,
>>> >
>>> >you once suggested to continue the "last mile" of incubation in May - so
>>> >I am
>>> >wondering whether there is anything that can be done from our side.
>>> We're
>>> >happy
>>> >to look at any potential remaining issue.
>>> >
>>> >best,
>>> >Peter
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On 03/02/2014 09:46 PM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>>> >> Thanks for the prompt Peter,
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry, I'm in the middle of preparations for an important trip.
>>> >>
>>> >> I did not see any further discussion within the Community on the
>>> >>Governance pages, so it is time to progress the incubation issue.
>>> >>
>>> >> To expedite matters, can I suggest that we get the Rasdaman Incubation
>>> >>Status pages updated. We'll also need to make sure that all outstanding
>>> >>intellectual property issues have been resolved. From memory there were
>>> >>one or two outstanding.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bruce
>>> >>
>>> >> ________________________________________
>>> >> From: rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com [rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com]
>>> On
>>> >>Behalf Of Peter Baumann [p.baumann at jacobs-university.de]
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014 7:12 AM
>>> >> To: rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com; Bruce Bannerman;
>>> >>rasdaman-users at googlegroups.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: [rasdaman-dev] finally: a governance document
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Bruce,
>>> >>
>>> >> while we are otherwise in excellent contact I seem to be missing any
>>> >>response to
>>> >> my recent inquiries on OSGeo graduation.
>>> >> Looking forward to learning your opinion on the status of rasdaman.
>>> >>
>>> >> thanks,
>>> >> Peter
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 02/17/2014 08:07 PM, Peter Baumann wrote:
>>> >>> Hi again Bruce,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> how do you see it from your perspective: anything missing for
>>> rasdaman
>>> >>> graduation?
>>> >>> Kindly let us know any issue you would want to see addressed.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> best,
>>> >>> Peter
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 01/27/2014 03:43 PM, Peter Baumann wrote:
>>> >>>> Bruce-
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> interesting twist by Alan - how would you see rasdaman's position
>>> >>>>currently,
>>> >>>> is there anything still missing? (of course we are not perfect yet,
>>> >>>>and that
>>> >>>> there is always room for improvement)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> cheers,
>>> >>>> Peter
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 01/10/2014 04:19 PM, Beccati, Alan wrote:
>>> >>>>> It is great to see this step towards an enhanced success for the
>>> >>>>>rasdaman
>>> >>>>> community, and towards our project graduation of course.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Alan
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com
>>> >>>>>[mailto:rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com]
>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Peter Baumann
>>> >>>>> Sent: 07 January 2014 12:02
>>> >>>>> To: rasdaman-users at googlegroups.com; rasdaman-dev at googlegroups.com
>>> >>>>> Subject: [rasdaman-dev] finally: a governance document
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi all,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> fresh year, fresh results: finally, after getting to breath with
>>> 9.0
>>> >>>>> finalization, a governance page has been set up - nothing
>>> >>>>>surprising, in
>>> >>>>> particular no change over status quo, just written down as a matter
>>> >>>>>of good
>>> >>>>> housekeeping of the project.
>>> >>>>> It is available here: http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Happy (rest of) 2014,
>>> >>>>> Peter
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Dr. Peter Baumann
>>> >>>>> Â Â - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>>> >>>>> Â Â Â www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
>>> >>>>> Â Â Â mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
>>> >>>>> Â Â Â tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
>>> >>>>> Â Â - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>>> >>>>> Â Â Â www.rasdaman.com, mail: baumann at rasdaman.com
>>> >>>>> Â Â Â tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile:
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>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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>> Dr. Peter Baumann
>> - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>> www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
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>> tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
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> mail: p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
> tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
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> www.rasdaman.com, mail: baumann at rasdaman.com
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