[Incubator] Incubation nightmare - istsos

Mon Jan 26 07:14:30 PST 2015

Cameron,
I think this is really really serous and really bad:
"From the few documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is still
relatively immature. The effort required to take a project through
incubation is high, for both the mentor, the committee, and also the
project. As such, there may be some un-voiced reluctance to bring IstSOS
into incubation."

What are the "*u**n-voiced reluctance*"?
The committee should then have voted against the entrance of istSOS in
incubation.

Your sentence sound like if someone on purpose is stopping the process and I
don't want to thing so....

Maxi

Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 12:21:58 PM Cameron Shorter <
cameron.shorter at gmail.com> ha scritto:

>
> On 26/01/2015 9:11 pm, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>
> Hi Cameron,
> thanks for the answer, but in my opinion it doesn't address the issue.
>
>  Of course I could anticipate and do all the work that is needed to
> graduate, but generally I like to proceed following the workflow: first
> approve, then provide docs for graduation.
>
>  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the incubation procedure il clear and
> simple:
> 1) open a ticket (or fill a form)
> 2) incubation committee shall vote based on that information
> 3) incubation committee shall make a motion to the board to ratify the vote
> 4) the project is officially in incubation
>
>
> Yes, this is correct.
>
>
>
>  So why it get stacked, and even after several remainder from my side it
> didn't move on?
> What about other projects?
> This is the same for everyone?
> What is the procedure the committee is following?
>
>
> I don't have a definitive answer, but can offer some observations.
>
> * I've briefly searched for IstSOS incubation documents. From the few
> documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is still relatively immature.
> The effort required to take a project through incubation is high, for both
> the mentor, the committee, and also the project. As such, there may be some
> un-voiced reluctance to bring IstSOS into incubation.
>
> * In the last 9 years, OSGeo has matured. We have built a comprehensive
> collection of stable projects. There have been many great initiatives put
> in place which is great, but there is ongoing effort required to maintain
> all these initiatives - such as keeping the incubation process going.
>
> * You may have noticed that OSGeo committees are largely under-staffed
> with volunteers.
>
> * There is often an expectation that volunteer committees should do xxx or
> yyyy. However, the people doing the expecting, don't go as far as to
> volunteer their time to work on the committee.
>
> * The good news is that it is possible to achieve a lot, with just a bit
> of sustained effort applied to one initiative or another.
>
> * If you are wanting to start incubation just to gain an incubation status
> then you might be doing it for the wrong reasons.  The real benefit of
> completing incubation is that you will be ensuring that you have a
> sustainable project, and people will believe in it.
>
> * So, if you would like to push IstSOS through incubation, I'd suggest
> make it very easy for IstSOS to complete incubation (by starting).
>
> * A starting point would be considering incorporating istSOS on OSGeo-Live
> or in UbuntuGIS.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive
>
> * That said, it would be good to have an incubation committee meeting, and
> add discussion of IstSOS to the agenda. Any comment Jody?
>
>
>
>  I'm asking this because I understand that incubation is important for
> OSGeo.
>
> Yes.
>
>  Or do projects have to ask Location Tech or Apache Software Foundation
> for incubation?
> And Incubation then could not be any more an OSGeo mission...
>
>  Maxi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno Sun Jan 25 2015 at 12:31:03 PM Cameron Shorter <
> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>>  Hi Massimiliano,
>> Yes, it is disappointing that istsos hasn't progressed into incubation
>> yet.
>> It seems to have slipped off the radar.
>>
>> I have a few suggestions:
>> 1. Even if not in incubation, there is nothing stopping a project
>> starting to put OSGeo processes in place, and filling out incubation
>> documentation. Once you are in incubation, this will make incubation much
>> faster. And you will likely find the incubation committee much more likely
>> to help push your project through incubation if your project is already
>> mature. (OSGeo-Live is not officially in incubation, however, we have been
>> filling out our incubation checklist).
>>
>> 2. If you do want to move into incubation, I suggest getting all your
>> documentation in order, and include references to it, such that it can
>> easily be built into a motion that the incubation committee can vote on. If
>> Arnulf is your mentor, he should be able to help with that.
>>
>>
>> On 25/01/2015 3:58 am, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>
>> Dear incubation committee,
>> I'm embarassed in writing this email...
>>
>> but after a very very long waiting I have to complain for the treatment
>> the istsos software is receiving.
>>
>> Is the same for all the software or just this project is not considered?
>>
>> Almost one year ago I apply for entering incubation, the committee asks
>> me to follow the procedure with form.. Then ticket.. And I fill everything.
>>
>> The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf volunteered,  and the
>> committee, I think, voted approving istsos to pass in incubation.
>>
>> Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!
>>
>> I think the committee shall make a motion to the board to approve the
>> decision, but it never happened.
>>
>> The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not in the website nor in any
>> talk I have followed.
>>
>> Why making a motion is so difficult?
>>
>> If this is the treatment for new software approaching our community I
>> believe something does not work at all!
>>
>> I know people are volunteer and not paid,  but the welcome steps are
>> minimal: reading a page, vote, and make a motion.
>>
>> If we get stack here, and after several remainders from my side, this is
>> really discouraging.
>>
>> Sorry for this email.
>>
>> Massimiliano
>>
>>
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> Cameron Shorter,
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> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>
> P +61 2 9009 5000,  W www.lisasoft.com,  F +61 2 9009 5099
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