[Incubator] Incubation nightmare - istsos
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Mon Jan 26 12:03:12 PST 2015
Hi Maxi,
I don't remember what was discussed when istSOS applied for incubation.
Like you, I was under the impression that projects normally get
officially voted into incubation, but I can't find any documentation
describing that part of our incubation process. Seems to be an oversight.
I'm unaware of anyone deliberately stopping istSOS going through
incubation.
That said, it doesn't stop you going through the motions of incubation.
I could say more, but Arnulf has said it already. Thanks Arnulf.
On 27/01/2015 2:14 am, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> Cameron,
> I think this is really really serous and really bad:
> "From the few documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is still
> relatively immature. The effort required to take a project through
> incubation is high, for both the mentor, the committee, and also the
> project. As such, there may be some un-voiced reluctance to bring
> IstSOS into incubation."
>
> What are the "*u**n-voiced reluctance*"?
> The committee should then have voted against the entrance of istSOS in
> incubation.
>
> Your sentence sound like if someone on purpose is stopping the process
> and I don't want to thing so....
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
> Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 12:21:58 PM Cameron Shorter
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> ha scritto:
>
>
> On 26/01/2015 9:11 pm, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> Hi Cameron,
>> thanks for the answer, but in my opinion it doesn't address the
>> issue.
>>
>> Of course I could anticipate and do all the work that is needed
>> to graduate, but generally I like to proceed following the
>> workflow: first approve, then provide docs for graduation.
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the incubation procedure il clear
>> and simple:
>> 1) open a ticket (or fill a form)
>> 2) incubation committee shall vote based on that information
>> 3) incubation committee shall make a motion to the board to
>> ratify the vote
>> 4) the project is officially in incubation
>
> Yes, this is correct.
>
>
>>
>> So why it get stacked, and even after several remainder from my
>> side it didn't move on?
>> What about other projects?
>> This is the same for everyone?
>> What is the procedure the committee is following?
>
> I don't have a definitive answer, but can offer some observations.
>
> * I've briefly searched for IstSOS incubation documents. From the
> few documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is still
> relatively immature. The effort required to take a project through
> incubation is high, for both the mentor, the committee, and also
> the project. As such, there may be some un-voiced reluctance to
> bring IstSOS into incubation.
>
> * In the last 9 years, OSGeo has matured. We have built a
> comprehensive collection of stable projects. There have been many
> great initiatives put in place which is great, but there is
> ongoing effort required to maintain all these initiatives - such
> as keeping the incubation process going.
>
> * You may have noticed that OSGeo committees are largely
> under-staffed with volunteers.
>
> * There is often an expectation that volunteer committees should
> do xxx or yyyy. However, the people doing the expecting, don't go
> as far as to volunteer their time to work on the committee.
>
> * The good news is that it is possible to achieve a lot, with just
> a bit of sustained effort applied to one initiative or another.
>
> * If you are wanting to start incubation just to gain an
> incubation status then you might be doing it for the wrong
> reasons. The real benefit of completing incubation is that you
> will be ensuring that you have a sustainable project, and people
> will believe in it.
>
> * So, if you would like to push IstSOS through incubation, I'd
> suggest make it very easy for IstSOS to complete incubation (by
> starting).
>
> * A starting point would be considering incorporating istSOS on
> OSGeo-Live or in UbuntuGIS.
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive
>
> * That said, it would be good to have an incubation committee
> meeting, and add discussion of IstSOS to the agenda. Any comment Jody?
>
>
>>
>> I'm asking this because I understand that incubation is important
>> for OSGeo.
> Yes.
>
>> Or do projects have to ask Location Tech or Apache Software
>> Foundation for incubation?
>> And Incubation then could not be any more an OSGeo mission...
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno Sun Jan 25 2015 at 12:31:03 PM Cameron Shorter
>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>> Hi Massimiliano,
>> Yes, it is disappointing that istsos hasn't progressed into
>> incubation yet.
>> It seems to have slipped off the radar.
>>
>> I have a few suggestions:
>> 1. Even if not in incubation, there is nothing stopping a
>> project starting to put OSGeo processes in place, and filling
>> out incubation documentation. Once you are in incubation,
>> this will make incubation much faster. And you will likely
>> find the incubation committee much more likely to help push
>> your project through incubation if your project is already
>> mature. (OSGeo-Live is not officially in incubation, however,
>> we have been filling out our incubation checklist).
>>
>> 2. If you do want to move into incubation, I suggest getting
>> all your documentation in order, and include references to
>> it, such that it can easily be built into a motion that the
>> incubation committee can vote on. If Arnulf is your mentor,
>> he should be able to help with that.
>>
>>
>> On 25/01/2015 3:58 am, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear incubation committee,
>>> I'm embarassed in writing this email...
>>>
>>> but after a very very long waiting I have to complain for
>>> the treatment the istsos software is receiving.
>>>
>>> Is the same for all the software or just this project is not
>>> considered?
>>>
>>> Almost one year ago I apply for entering incubation, the
>>> committee asks me to follow the procedure with form.. Then
>>> ticket.. And I fill everything.
>>>
>>> The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf volunteered,
>>> and the committee, I think, voted approving istsos to pass
>>> in incubation.
>>>
>>> Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!
>>>
>>> I think the committee shall make a motion to the board to
>>> approve the decision, but it never happened.
>>>
>>> The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not in the website
>>> nor in any talk I have followed.
>>>
>>> Why making a motion is so difficult?
>>>
>>> If this is the treatment for new software approaching our
>>> community I believe something does not work at all!
>>>
>>> I know people are volunteer and not paid, but the welcome
>>> steps are minimal: reading a page, vote, and make a motion.
>>>
>>> If we get stack here, and after several remainders from my
>>> side, this is really discouraging.
>>>
>>> Sorry for this email.
>>>
>>> Massimiliano
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Cameron Shorter,
>> Software and Data Solutions Manager
>> LISAsoft
>> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
>> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>>
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>>
>
> --
> Cameron Shorter,
> Software and Data Solutions Manager
> LISAsoft
> Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
> 26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
>
> P +61 2 9009 5000, Wwww.lisasoft.com <http://www.lisasoft.com>, F +61 2 9009 5099
>
--
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W www.lisasoft.com, F +61 2 9009 5099
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