[Incubator] [Board] Incubation <s>nightmare</s> question
Massimiliano Cannata
massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
Mon Jan 26 10:20:50 PST 2015
Just for the records,
the project was not passively waiting.
I have asked a couple of time to go on [1] and [2], but I didn't get any
feedback. It doesn't seems to me that Arnulf has to make the motion as the
document you mentioned states: "The chairman of IncCom presents projects
selected for Incubation"
That's all from my side, it seems that now I got the attention, but let me
say this should not be like that and I wanted to rise the issue.
BTW: "Apologize me but I completely forgot about you would have been nice
to be heard."
[1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-June/002434.html
[2] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-September/002477.html
2015-01-26 16:55 GMT+01:00 Stephen Woodbridge <woodbri at swoodbridge.com>:
> At the risk of butting in where I'm not wanted. There is a process
> documented here:
>
> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/process.html
>
> It seems like you have gotten through step 3 because you have a mentor
> assigned.
>
> Step 4: The chairman of IncCom presents projects selected for Incubation
> to the OSGeo Board of Directors for acceptance or deferral.
>
> seems like it could use some additional details, like how are projects
> selected to be presented to the board? I would assume (maybe wrongly) that
> the mentor asks for this to happen once they think the project as met
> enough of the steps to be approved.
>
> We have a Graduation check list, maybe we also need a Acceptance check
> list? so it is clear what is required to be complete before being accepted.
> I think that this has generally been communicated between the mentor and
> the project in other situations.
>
> In general, it is up to the project to take the lead and to drive the
> effort. The project should be asking the mentor what to we need to do? we
> did this, is it complete enough? What is the next step for us? etc. If a
> project is passively waiting, then I'm pretty sure nothing is happening.
>
> Hope this helps,
> -Steve
>
> There are lots of documents if you google: osgeo incubation process
> but the problem seems to be a lack of communication between your project
> and your mentor that has lead to misaligned expectations.
>
> On 1/26/2015 10:08 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>
>> Dear Arnulf, Cameron and All,
>> I wrote this e-mail because I don't think istSOS is in incubation.
>>
>> This is because:
>> - i din't receive any confirmation from anybody about that
>> - istSOS is not listed in the "incubating" projects
>> - in all the presentations I saw that mentioned OSGeo projects and
>> incubation project istSOS has been never mentioned
>>
>> I think, that the board should vote on this. Am I wrong?
>>
>> I didn't stress the mentor (Arnulf) because I think he will help me in
>> achieve incubation requirements and improve the project, up to be able
>> to graduate, eventually; not in bypassing forgetfulness or inattention
>> in the procedure.
>>
>> As soon as istSOS knows is in incubation, it might start to stress the
>> Mentor to see what it miss (I believe a lot of things!!)
>>
>> This mail "incubation nigthmare" was to underline that something is not
>> working in the procedure of incubation.
>>
>> Maybe istSOS will never be able to incubate, but at least starting would
>> be a good point.
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 1:52:08 PM Seven (aka Arnulf)
>> <seven at arnulf.us <mailto:seven at arnulf.us>> ha scritto:
>>
>>
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>> Massimiliano,
>> before calling all of Incubation a nightmare I would suggest to check
>> what may have gone bad in your specific case. I am the assigned mentor
>> for istSOS so ideally you should first contact me directly before
>> frustrating all on this list, right?
>>
>>
>> Your last mail to me dates from April 24 2014 [0] and the first thing
>> you say is that you can easily retrieve a "code agreement" - but I
>> have
>> not yet seen this manifest anywhere. So how to proceed?
>>
>> To me the most problematic section in the Incubation process of istSOS
>> is the "Community Functioning". If you look at the Wiki web site [1]
>> there are still quite a few "tba" (does that mean "to be added"?).
>> Please add.
>>
>> The IstSOS Provenance Review page [2] in the Wiki is still not
>> populated
>> at all. Please add.
>>
>> Until those questions are answered I don't think that the project is
>> ready to graduate.
>>
>>
>> [later]
>> Admittedly I was somewhat annoyed by your mail.
>>
>> ...but now that I read maybe there has been a general
>> misunderstanding.
>> In my opinion IstSOS is already in incubation and I am just waiting
>> for
>> results. Rereading your mail it appears that you are still expecting
>> some confirmation from the board level? Right?
>>
>>
>>
>> In general projects seem to expect the mentor to do all the work to
>> get
>> their project through incubation. This is not so - at least not from
>> my
>> perspective which may obviously be wrong. In my understanding the
>> mentor
>> is there to help if there are process questions, recommend a way
>> forward
>> in a tricky situation and to make a pre-check of the status of the
>> project to be able to recommend graduation.
>>
>>
>> Which is what I tried to achieve with this mail. Did it work?
>>
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Arnulf
>>
>> [0]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/__pipermail/incubator/2014-__April/002389.html
>> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2014-April/002389.html>
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/__IstSOS_Incubation_Status#__
>> Community_Functioning
>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Incubation_Status#
>> Community_Functioning>
>> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/__IstSOS_Provenance_Review
>>
>> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IstSOS_Provenance_Review>
>>
>>
>> On 24.01.2015 17:58, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>> > Dear incubation committee,
>> > I'm embarassed in writing this email...
>> >
>> > but after a very very long waiting I have to complain for the
>> treatment
>> > the istsos software is receiving.
>> >
>> > Is the same for all the software or just this project is not
>> considered?
>> >
>> > Almost one year ago I apply for entering incubation, the
>> committee asks
>> > me to follow the procedure with form.. Then ticket.. And I fill
>> everything.
>> >
>> > The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf volunteered, and the
>> > committee, I think, voted approving istsos to pass in incubation.
>> >
>> > Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!
>> >
>> > I think the committee shall make a motion to the board to approve
>> the
>> > decision, but it never happened.
>> >
>> > The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not in the website nor
>> in any
>> > talk I have followed.
>> >
>> > Why making a motion is so difficult?
>> >
>> > If this is the treatment for new software approaching our
>> community I
>> > believe something does not work at all!
>> >
>> > I know people are volunteer and not paid, but the welcome steps
>> are
>> > minimal: reading a page, vote, and make a motion.
>> >
>> > If we get stack here, and after several remainders from my side,
>> this is
>> > really discouraging.
>> >
>> > Sorry for this email.
>> >
>> > Massimiliano
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>> - --
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