[Incubator] gvSIG project graduation

Jody Garnett jody.garnett at gmail.com
Sun Sep 27 18:30:39 PDT 2015

The comments on volunteers were my bad, I should of said "external parties"
or something.

My take is that "customers" have gradually learned to avoid vendor lock-in
and view that as an advantage of open source. By the same token it has been
hard for potential contributors to get approval to work on the GeoServer
project (when it was owned by a company - even a non profit) and not hosted
by a vendor neutral organization such as a foundation.

The middle ground that OSGeo projects are required to walk is that a
codebase can be owned by a single organization, so long as the code is open
source (protecting users) and governance model around the codebase is "open
development" (protecting contributors who invest staff time).

Jody Garnett

On 18 September 2015 at 06:03, Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com>

> I agree with what Cameron proposes here. Based on your explanations, it
> sounds to me like the gvSIG association serves a role similar to that of a
> PSC in other OSGeo projects.
> When you update the Incubation checklist with the open decision process
> information, please ensure you make it clear how decisions are shared with
> the community, and how new parties can become involved in the decision
> process if they wish to, either formally by becoming members of the
> association, or informally by contributing to or commenting decisions
> before they are being made, likely in a public forum.
> BTW, in this thread there were comments about volunteers vs professionals
> which were suggesting that OSGeo projects were relying on volunteers' free
> time which is not sustainable. I agree 150% that relying on people's free
> time is not sustainable.
> However I would like to clarify that while the typical OSGeo PSCs are not
> legal entities with paid staff like gvSIG Association is, most of the
> committers and PSC members of OSGeo projects are paid professionals working
> for companies/organizations (or self-employed consultants) who are
> supporting the projects indirectly through the contribution of their staff
> time. So instead of sending money to a central organization, each
> contributing company/organization contributes indirectly through the time
> of their employees.
> Daniel
> On 2015-09-17 4:51 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>> Alvaro,
>> I'm satisfied that gvSIG is a successful open source project and has
>> organically developed processes which work best for the gvSIG community.
>> (In my mind, this makes the processes worthy of OSGeo graduation).
>> I think the only thing left is
>> a. Document the processes (I think you have done that?)
>> b. Reference the documented processes from
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist#Processes
>> I'm not sure that is complete yet? Eg: I can't see reference to you blog
>> this page, and I suspect that only part of the information that you have
>> described in your email linked below has made it into this incubation
>> wiki?
>> So I suggest:
>> c. Copy appropriate content from your emails into wiki (or confirm that
>> you have already done so)
>> d. We approve gvsig for graduation.
>> Thanks for all your effort, I see gvsig as an excellent asset to OSGeo
>> and it will be great to see incubation complete.
>> Warm regards, Cameron
>> On 14/09/2015 9:39 pm, Alvaro Anguix wrote:
>>> Hello Cameron,
>>> El 13/09/15 a las 12:31, Cameron Shorter escribió:
>>>> I agree with Daniel, Jody and Evan's comments.
>>>> 1. Major decisions should be documented in an publicly visible archive
>>>> as a minimum, preferably with links to discussion (such as chat logs
>>>> or email list threads).
>>>> 2. The decision making process should be documented, and be open to
>>>> community participation (such as through a PSC or similar)
>>> About (1), as we've told, the important decisions are published where it
>>> is more visible, at the gvSIG blog (currently from 500 to 1000 visits
>>> every day). The day-to-day decisions are made by the professional
>>> structure.
>>> Respecting (2), about the organization model you have the details here:
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2015-September/002786.html
>>> As it was commented previously, there are meetings every six months in
>>> order to define the next version. About the participation, we go beyond
>>> a technical management, and companies participate at the economical
>>> decision making of the project, and at the responsibility of supporting
>>> the professional structure.
>>> We also told that some years ago, when a professional structure wasn't
>>> possible, there was a voluntaries scheme. In our case, and from our
>>> experience it would be a regression to return to model like that, much
>>> more inefficient; at least in a software development model oriented to
>>> organizations and not to individuals.
>>> I think we don't have to talk in circles about the same. Explained our
>>> model, I think the incubation committee has to decide about the gvSIG
>>> graduation or not.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alvaro
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