[Incubator] osgeo innovator (was labs)

Fri Feb 5 18:16:38 PST 2016

Agreed, and we will start that discussion (again) shortly.

One of the key benefits of OSGeo is an organization is the ability to be
inclusive, going to see if we can take that message out to the projects.
Ideally I would like to to make joining "OSGeo Technology" easier that
joining "OSGeo Live" distribution which is easier than joining "OSGeo
Projects".

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Jody Garnett

On 5 February 2016 at 13:02, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jody,
> So you want to allow suitable projects join OSGeo? Sure, that is the
> concept behind OSGeo Labs. Any project can list itself so long as it is
> Open Source and Geospatial. pgrouting is listed. [0]
>
> The problem is that many projects haven't joined. Why? Probably because a
> listing in OSGeo Labs is of little value. What is of value is a stamp of
> quality, which leads to attracting users, developers and sponsors.
>
> So go ahead and rename OSGeo-Labs if you like, but I think the real value
> and core conversation should be based around what value can we offer
> OSGeo-Lab projects?
>
> [0] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs
>
>
> On 6/02/2016 7:21 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> It is slightly more than a badge/marketing Cameron, we are looking to
> include projects in our software foundation (which has resources to devote
> to their wellbeing).
>
> I am concerned that we are having two conversations here: one about the
> badge and a second one about inclusion.
>
> We as an organization demand a few things (open source, no really open
> source did you check) and open development that may be new to the project
> teams involved. We also have some requirements around the risk associated
> with the use of project (user community, documentation, developer maturity,
> and project viability) which is unusual.
>
> The badge is a bit of a bike shed problem (accessible to all but a
> distraction from the discussion).
>
> I am focused on address the inclusion (so projects like pgRouting can have
> a home with OSGeo).
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 5 February 2016 at 11:28, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I like Andrea's approach to this question by flipping the problem.
>>
>> Lets first ask: what is the value from a label such as "OSGeo Incubated"?
>> It is a badge of quality which new users can quickly recognise to help
>> select projects they might use.
>>
>> OSGeo-Live provides another badge of quality. OSGeo-Live guarantees that
>> a project has been tested and verified to work on the OSGeo-Live linux
>> distribution. Its main selection criteria is that the project is stable,
>> and the community are willing to keep it maintained (with docs and data).
>> OSGeo-Live's selection criteria [1] is lower than for OSGeo Incubation, and
>> could be integrated with a greater OSGeo badge system.
>>
>> So what I believe we are looking for is a set of well defined project
>> qualities, with each quality earning a badge. Some of these qualities can
>> be automatically applied, as generated by OpenHub metrics [2].
>> Others could be opted into, by the project themselves, similar to the
>> OSGeo Advocate categories [3].
>> And the harder, but more valued badges are those requiring a manual
>> testing process, as provided by the OSGeo Incubation Checklist. [4] Note,
>> the value and prestige of this badge is determined by the quality insisted
>> upon before the badge is allocated.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive
>> [2] http://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html
>> [3] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles
>> [4]
>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html
>>
>>
>> On 5/02/2016 7:42 pm, Andrea Aime wrote:
>>
>> Silly idea maybe, but what if you look at the problem at the other way,
>> and simply allow projects to show a logo showing they symphatize for
>> OSGeo,
>> and have them start incubation when they are somehow ready to?
>>
>> Steal a page from OGC, one can say they are "implementing" a standard
>> without checks (which
>> just mean they tried, but also shows support for OGC), and then you can
>> go though the
>> formal process and get actually certified, if you want to.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:21 PM, Jody Garnett < <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will point out that naming is a classic bike shed problem. I think we
>>> should ask the projects in "labs" and get their take on this.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 4 February 2016 at 13:12, Landon Blake <
>>> <sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like "Innovator". What about "Community Builder Project"?
>>>>
>>>> Landon
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jody Garnett <
>>>> <jody.garnett at gmail.com>jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I hear you, and you are correct that innovation can happen anywhere. I
>>>>> look forward to alternate name suggestions. "Experiment" would do a
>>>>> disservice to a completed project that does not yet have a large/diverse
>>>>> enough community to meet our graduation requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> My fellow board members were a bit startled that our incubation
>>>>> policies do inhibit the support smaller projects, and would like an avenue
>>>>> to support innovation. It may be that both these objectives cannot be met
>>>>> with the same initiative, but I would like to try.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3 February 2016 at 23:47, Jeroen Ticheler <
>>>>> <jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net>jeroen.ticheler at geocat.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>> I understand the naming confusion. The Innovator name however has IMO
>>>>>> a negative reflection on the established projects. Are new projects
>>>>>> necessarily more innovative than established ones? Often they are still so
>>>>>> small they don't have established communities/structures etc in place.
>>>>>> That's indeed why the Labs were created.
>>>>>> I will think about another potential name and I hope others feel the
>>>>>> same and will also think of an alternative naming for the Labs. I remember
>>>>>> you saying something like Hatching (synonym of incubating, so maybe to co
>>>>>> fusing).
>>>>>> Maybe OSGeo Experiments.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Jeroen
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>>>>>> > Op 4 feb. 2016 om 03:25 heeft Jody Garnett <
>>>>>> <jody.garnett at gmail.com>jody.garnett at gmail.com> het volgende
>>>>>> geschreven:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > A couple of results for the incubation team out of the weekend's
>>>>>> board meeting.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > We have the "GeoForAll Labs" and our OSGeo labs projects - and the
>>>>>> two names trip on each other.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Board members were also a bit taken aback that our incubation
>>>>>> process is not really "welcome" to innovation (indeed our graduation
>>>>>> requirements tend to favour established projects).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > With that in mind - I would like to kick off:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 1) Renaming OSGeo Labs as OSGeo Innovator
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The branding for this is way better for projects! Having an "OSGeo
>>>>>> Innovator" badge on your home page is way more "positive" an impression.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2) Revise the procedures around this activity
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > My first take is:
>>>>>> > - provide a home for small project teams / single organization
>>>>>> projects
>>>>>> > - focus on new projects (so provide README, CONTRIBUTING, PSC files
>>>>>> for a project to copy into github)
>>>>>> > - stick to our "open source" and "open development" guns!
>>>>>> > - "save the sticker" until on-boarding is complete
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Jody Garnett
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