[Incubator] Info on the Old OSGeo Labs
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Tue Mar 8 02:35:18 PST 2016
Hey Jody,
I'm actually agreeing with all you are suggesting doing with the
rebranded "OSGeo Labs", except the name "OSGeo Technology". This name
misrepresents the "Self Serve", non-validated concept of "OSGeo Labs".
The name implies "built out of OSGeo Projects". This is a dis-service
to people who come to our site for the first time, a dis-service to
"OSGeo Projects" who now become associated with immature projects.
Pick a more accurate name than "OSGeo Technology" and I'd back the rest
of what you are suggesting.
Warm regards, Cameron
On 7/03/2016 9:55 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
> This is going to be a tough one Cameron ... our brand currently has a
> reputation for turning projects away ... not quality.
>
> The long story short is how to respond to the direction to be
> inclusive. We have two strong characters on this mailing list with an
> axe to grind making it difficult for projects to be part of OSGeo. I
> am very keen on projects *being* open source, and you are very keen on
> making projects safe for users to adopt (project viability, quality,
> open standards).
>
> I am proposing repurposing "OSGeo Labs" (which did not promise
> anything as a brand and got adopted by GeoForAll) as "OSGeo
> Technology" to focus on the open source angle; in order to preserve
> "OSGeo Projects" (and incubation) to focus on the second.
>
> We have a tension here between being inclusive (read easy) and
> transparent (which takes effort).
>
> How would you like to add "transparency" to this mix? We could provide
> a table with website, download, documentation, test results - not sure
> if that would help with transparency?
>
> I know we keep coming back to a rating system on this mailing list - I
> recognize your work in this area for OSGeo Live with the introduction
> of black duck metrics. I imagine you would also be happy to phrase
> things as positive "badges" (for projects that have documentation, or
> quality assurance, or standards testing). For quality, documentation
> and so forth I think we are stuck leading by example (and perhaps
> working with the OGC on standards compliance).
>
> On 3 March 2016 at 23:57, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jody,
> I agree with your suggestion that "Old OSGeo Labs" need not have
> an aim of entering OSGeo incubation.
> However, I object to any project becoming associated with OSGeo
> without it being obvious about the level of quality control the
> project has gone through.
>
> As suggested below, I could knock together 100 lines of
> uncommented, non-working code, give it an open source license, and
> then add a "OSGeo Technology" logo to the home page. And most
> average punters wouldn't know the difference between term "OSGeo
> Project" and "OSGeo Technology". This would result in diminishing
> the current association between OSGeo applications and quality,
> which would be a bad thing.
>
> I feel "OSGeo Labs", "OSGeo Community Builder Projects", or
> shortened to "OSGeo Builder Projects" are less likely to be
> confused with "OSGeo Incubated" projects.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
> On 4/03/2016 2:13 am, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
>
> +1, I think these changes make a lot of sense and as part of
> an OSGeo Technology project this feels very inclusive.
>
> -Steve W
>
> On 3/3/2016 9:46 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> I would like to change the tone of the page a bit, since
> it "assumes"
> incubation ..
>
> /OSGeo Labs is an umbrella for open source geospatial
> software
> projects that would like to become OSGeo projects in
> the future, but
> that aren't ready for incubation quite yet. It is
> appropriate to
> submit your new or experimental project as an OSGeo
> labs project./
> /
> /
> /The volunteers that work as part of OSGeo Labs have
> the goal of
> helping OSGeo Labs Projects qualify for incubation. To
> reach this
> goal, OSGeo Labs volunteers help OSGeo Labs Projects
> with the
> following tasks:
> /
>
>
> Would become:
>
> /Welcome to OSGeo Technology. The projects listed here
> are part of
> the Open Source Geospatial Foundation and range from new
> experimental projects to established pillars of our
> open source
> ecosystem./
> /
> /
> /All projects here meet our goals as an organization -
> they are open
> source (no really we checked) and are inclusive and
> welcoming to new
> contributors./
> /
> /
>
> /Projects that go on to establish excellence in
> community building,
> documentation, and governance can enter our
> "incubation" program. /
>
>
> I would also lose the "status" conditions
> seed/seedling/sapling/adult
> and keep OSGeo Technology focused on the basics (open source &
> inclusive). The status becomes having the "OSGeo
> Technology" badge nice
> and simple.
>
> Thinking this through a bit more we have one clear reason
> for projects
> to go through with incubation - being recognized by the
> board and having
> an OSGeo Officer listed directly for the project, while
> OSGeo Technology
> projects "share" an officer (as part of "incubation
> committee").
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
> On 11 February 2016 at 11:04, Landon Blake
> <sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>
> <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> There is some good information on what we were trying
> to achieve
> with the old OSGeo Labs on the wiki:
>
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs
>
> I think most of that information on the wiki still
> applies. This
> includes the purpose of labs, how projects get started
> in labs, what
> labs is trying to accomplish, and the criteria to
> determine if your
> project is a good fit for labs.
>
> Does anyone have major heartburn with what is laid out
> on that wiki
> page? (I'll rename the wiki page as soon as we get a
> new name for labs.)
>
> Landon
>
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