[Incubator] Info on the Old OSGeo Labs
Even Rouault
even.rouault at spatialys.com
Tue Mar 8 02:43:16 PST 2016
Le mardi 08 mars 2016 11:35:18, Cameron Shorter a écrit :
> Hey Jody,
> I'm actually agreeing with all you are suggesting doing with the
> rebranded "OSGeo Labs", except the name "OSGeo Technology". This name
> misrepresents the "Self Serve", non-validated concept of "OSGeo Labs".
> The name implies "built out of OSGeo Projects". This is a dis-service
> to people who come to our site for the first time, a dis-service to
> "OSGeo Projects" who now become associated with immature projects.
>
> Pick a more accurate name than "OSGeo Technology" and I'd back the rest
> of what you are suggesting.
OSGeo aspiring projects ?
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
> On 7/03/2016 9:55 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > This is going to be a tough one Cameron ... our brand currently has a
> > reputation for turning projects away ... not quality.
> >
> > The long story short is how to respond to the direction to be
> > inclusive. We have two strong characters on this mailing list with an
> > axe to grind making it difficult for projects to be part of OSGeo. I
> > am very keen on projects *being* open source, and you are very keen on
> > making projects safe for users to adopt (project viability, quality,
> > open standards).
> >
> > I am proposing repurposing "OSGeo Labs" (which did not promise
> > anything as a brand and got adopted by GeoForAll) as "OSGeo
> > Technology" to focus on the open source angle; in order to preserve
> > "OSGeo Projects" (and incubation) to focus on the second.
> >
> > We have a tension here between being inclusive (read easy) and
> > transparent (which takes effort).
> >
> > How would you like to add "transparency" to this mix? We could provide
> > a table with website, download, documentation, test results - not sure
> > if that would help with transparency?
> >
> > I know we keep coming back to a rating system on this mailing list - I
> > recognize your work in this area for OSGeo Live with the introduction
> > of black duck metrics. I imagine you would also be happy to phrase
> > things as positive "badges" (for projects that have documentation, or
> > quality assurance, or standards testing). For quality, documentation
> > and so forth I think we are stuck leading by example (and perhaps
> > working with the OGC on standards compliance).
> >
> > On 3 March 2016 at 23:57, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hi Jody,
> > I agree with your suggestion that "Old OSGeo Labs" need not have
> > an aim of entering OSGeo incubation.
> > However, I object to any project becoming associated with OSGeo
> > without it being obvious about the level of quality control the
> > project has gone through.
> >
> > As suggested below, I could knock together 100 lines of
> > uncommented, non-working code, give it an open source license, and
> > then add a "OSGeo Technology" logo to the home page. And most
> > average punters wouldn't know the difference between term "OSGeo
> > Project" and "OSGeo Technology". This would result in diminishing
> > the current association between OSGeo applications and quality,
> > which would be a bad thing.
> >
> > I feel "OSGeo Labs", "OSGeo Community Builder Projects", or
> > shortened to "OSGeo Builder Projects" are less likely to be
> > confused with "OSGeo Incubated" projects.
> >
> > Warm regards, Cameron
> >
> > On 4/03/2016 2:13 am, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
> > +1, I think these changes make a lot of sense and as part of
> > an OSGeo Technology project this feels very inclusive.
> >
> > -Steve W
> >
> > On 3/3/2016 9:46 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > I would like to change the tone of the page a bit, since
> > it "assumes"
> > incubation ..
> >
> > /OSGeo Labs is an umbrella for open source geospatial
> >
> > software
> >
> > projects that would like to become OSGeo projects in
> >
> > the future, but
> >
> > that aren't ready for incubation quite yet. It is
> >
> > appropriate to
> >
> > submit your new or experimental project as an OSGeo
> >
> > labs project./
> >
> > /
> > /
> > /The volunteers that work as part of OSGeo Labs have
> >
> > the goal of
> >
> > helping OSGeo Labs Projects qualify for incubation. To
> >
> > reach this
> >
> > goal, OSGeo Labs volunteers help OSGeo Labs Projects
> >
> > with the
> >
> > following tasks:
> > /
> >
> > Would become:
> > /Welcome to OSGeo Technology. The projects listed here
> >
> > are part of
> >
> > the Open Source Geospatial Foundation and range from new
> > experimental projects to established pillars of our
> >
> > open source
> >
> > ecosystem./
> > /
> > /
> > /All projects here meet our goals as an organization -
> >
> > they are open
> >
> > source (no really we checked) and are inclusive and
> >
> > welcoming to new
> >
> > contributors./
> > /
> > /
> >
> > /Projects that go on to establish excellence in
> >
> > community building,
> >
> > documentation, and governance can enter our
> >
> > "incubation" program. /
> >
> >
> > I would also lose the "status" conditions
> > seed/seedling/sapling/adult
> > and keep OSGeo Technology focused on the basics (open source
> > & inclusive). The status becomes having the "OSGeo
> > Technology" badge nice
> > and simple.
> >
> > Thinking this through a bit more we have one clear reason
> > for projects
> > to go through with incubation - being recognized by the
> > board and having
> > an OSGeo Officer listed directly for the project, while
> > OSGeo Technology
> > projects "share" an officer (as part of "incubation
> > committee").
> >
> > On 11 February 2016 at 11:04, Landon Blake
> > <sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> > <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> >
> > <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > There is some good information on what we were trying
> >
> > to achieve
> >
> > with the old OSGeo Labs on the wiki:
> > https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs
> >
> > I think most of that information on the wiki still
> >
> > applies. This
> >
> > includes the purpose of labs, how projects get started
> >
> > in labs, what
> >
> > labs is trying to accomplish, and the criteria to
> >
> > determine if your
> >
> > project is a good fit for labs.
> >
> > Does anyone have major heartburn with what is laid out
> >
> > on that wiki
> >
> > page? (I'll rename the wiki page as soon as we get a
> >
> > new name for labs.)
> >
> > Landon
> >
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