[Incubator] Motion: Old "OSGeo Labs" be renamed as "OSGeo Community Projects"

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Fri Mar 18 04:45:03 PDT 2016

I think we have reached a rough consensus on this thread. I suggest we 
vote, hopefully all agree, and move forward.

Motion: The old "OSGeo Labs" should be renamed to "OSGeo Community 

+1 Cameron

On 17/03/2016 10:06 am, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
> Resend as previous email was blocked by mail server due to message size.
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Bruce Bannerman 
> <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Jody,
>     I like the concept of extending the communications to other
>     projects, but perhaps not until we have our thoughts as to what we
>     are trying to do sorted out.
>     We may also want to get the thoughts of those already in
>     incubation. I can feel the pain and frustration of projects such
>     as Rasdaman that have been working through our process for over
>     five years now (though the latest delays are largely my fault).
>     Perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way and need to look at
>     an OSGeo Project Maturity model as Cameron has suggested in the past?
>     We really are looking at a continuum [1] of open source project
>     maturity.
>     This will allow us to also support Bob's idea of staged
>     incubation, rather than one big bang as is currently required.
>     It will also allow us to influence projects early on with 'the
>     OSGeo way' [2].
>     Bruce
>     [1] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/continuum
>     [2] http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html
>     On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Jody Garnett
>     <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Excellent discussion Bruce, thank you. I agree with the
>         general feel here, that we are on a scale  of "Community"
>         (minimal) to "Project" (showcase best practice).
>         The miss assumption is "starting out" or "immature" - projects
>         like pgRouting, GeoWebCache, proj4js are simply "small". We
>         would like an opportunity as a foundation to support these
>         projects and include them in our organization.
>         The downside to Hatch and Nurture is that they assume that a
>         project will proceed towards graduation. While we may be able
>         to capture this as a "staged" incubation process (as per Bob's
>         suggestion) it also suffers from this perspective that the
>         projects are "not ready yet".
>         I wonder if we could take this conversation in the other
>         direction, contact projects like pgRouting and asking what
>         would appeal (rather than guessing at this end what would be
>         attractive).
>         * As a uDig lead I was dissuaded from joining OSGeo by being
>         unable to meet the various incubation viability requirements
>         (the project was too small).
>         * In prior conversations with Kevin Smith from GeoWebCache
>         there is simply not a business driver to moving from labs to
>         incubation - the project is not attracting enough committers
>         to qualify. Indeed any available time to work on the project
>         is put into the project directly.
>         --
>         Jody Garnett
>         On 16 March 2016 at 00:01, Bruce Bannerman
>         <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com
>         <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>             Perhaps this is where we need to start.
>             What is it that we're trying to establish, together with
>             the rationale. We can sort a name from there, rather than
>             assuming that everyone is familiar with what the old
>             'Labs' were intended for.
>             In response to your question:
>             Assumption by me:  The 'thing' is intended to support
>             projects and their communities that are small, immature,
>             or just starting out. These projects are not ready to
>             begin graduation, or perhaps do not want to go through the
>             process at this stage.
>             Therefore, we want to find a way to encourage them into
>             the OSGeo Community, Principles and way of working.
>             Projects may or may not wish to enter graduation as they
>             evolve.
>             Therefore, I saw that we could have a nurturing role for
>             these projects, to provide them with basic infrastructure
>             for web presence, project governance and code
>             repositories. If projects express an interest we could
>             introduce them to some of the concepts required of an
>             OSGeo Project in graduation. This is heading in the
>             direction that Bob Basques suggested for staged graduation.
>             I see this as potentially a nuturing role, hence the two
>             terms:
>             OSGeo Hatch (as in hatchery for new projects)
>             OSGeo Nurture.
>             I hope this helps.
>             If my assumption as to the intent of this 'thing' is
>             incorrect, then perhaps we could clarify as a starting point.
>             Bruce
>             On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Jody Garnett
>             <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>
>             wrote:
>                 That is just it, trying for projects that are not
>                 emerging - so we do not want to give the impression
>                 that their technology ish immature (even if we think
>                 the foundation can offer further help in other areas).
>                 Bruce cash you preview some reasoning behind your two
>                 suggestions? I do not want to just be negative ...
>                 On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 9:53 PM Bruce Bannerman
>                 <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
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