[Incubator] Considering Portable GIS as an OSGeo community project

Jeff McKenna jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Mon Aug 28 10:12:48 PDT 2017


Hi Jo,

Some minor feedback: on the page 
http://portable-gis-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/nomodification.html 
the link to MS4W is broken, please point to http://ms4w.com

thanks,

-jeff



On 2017-08-28 2:02 PM, Jo Cook wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I've added a contributing guidelines page and moved the license and 
> changelog to the root of the portable gis repository at 
> https://gitlab.com/archaeogeek/portable-gis. Does it all look OK?
> 
> Thanks to everyone who has offered to assist with Portable GIS- it's 
> really appreciated.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Jo
> 
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Landon Blake 
> <sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     If I can help Jo with set-up as a community project, let me know.
>     I'm a Windows user...so I can help with the testing of releases. I'd
>     also be interested in learning more about how this works. :]
> 
>     Landon
> 
>     On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:26 AM, Jo Cook <jocook at astuntechnology.com
>     <mailto:jocook at astuntechnology.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Hi Jeff,
> 
>         There's no relationship as such between Portable GIS and
>         OSGeo4W- they are really complimentary projects with different
>         objectives. The way I see it, Portable GIS provides a portable
>         (hence the name) set of open source geospatial tools that don't
>         require installation and can be taken from windows computer to
>         windows computer on a USB stick,compared to OSGeo4W, which
>         provides a streamlined way of installing the tools on a machine.
>         They have some packages in common, but not all (I include
>         PostgreSQL/PostGIS and GeoServer alongside QGIS, Mapserver etc,
>         but otherwise a much more limited set of tools than OSGeo4W due
>         to space considerations).
> 
>         When OSGeo4W first came out (believe it or not, Portable GIS
>         predates it) there was some discussion about the possible
>         relationship between the two packages at that point, but like I
>         say, they have different objectives and exist in harmony together.
> 
>         Hope that clears things up- I'll add some disambiguation to the
>         readme and website next time I do an update!
> 
>         Jo
> 
>         On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Jeffrey Johnson
>         <ortelius at gmail.com <mailto:ortelius at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Just curious about the relationship to osgeo4w
> 
>             On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Cameron Shorter
>             <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>             <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>              > Hi Jo,
>              >
>              > I'm really excited to see you pushing Portable GIS
>             forward. I think that
>              > having a windows based OSGeo distribution is a great
>             complement to
>              > OSGeo-Live, as OSGeo-Live is tied into (and limited to)
>             being a linux
>              > distribution.
>              >
>              > I also see potential for collaboration between OSGeo-Live
>             and Portable GIS.
>              > Eg, the OSGeo-Live Project Overviews could note whether
>             the project is
>              > available on Portable GIS.
>              >
>              > We could also potentially align OSGeo-Live and Portable
>             GIS release
>              > schedules (which would help with aligning documentation).
>              >
>              > Re packaging, have you considered building with cygwin
>             (which is Open
>              > Source)?
>              >
>              > I'm happy to answer questions about license. While I'm
>             not a lawyer, I have
>              > been involved in plenty of licensing selection
>             discussions, including for
>              > OSGeo-Live.
>              >
>              > Re Portable GIS licensing, I assume your build tools are
>             not embedded in the
>              > final Portable GIS software distribution? That would mean
>             that the final
>              > software distribution does not inherit to the license of
>             the build tools. So
>              > I suspect you should be ok to select what ever license
>             you choose for the
>              > build tools. That is how we have approached the
>             OSGeo-Live build scripts,
>              > which are LGPL. (Documentation is licensed under CC-By
>             for Project Overviews
>              > and CC-By-SA for Quickstarts).
>              >
>              > Warm regards, Cameron
>              >
>              >
>              > On 24/8/17 1:22 am, Jo Cook wrote:
>              >
>              > Hi Jody and list,
>              >
>              > Having had a bit of a think about licensing, I had
>             previously chosen GPLv3
>              > *for my components alone* and I think I'm happy with
>             that. As far as I can
>              > tell, I can license my modifications alone with GPLv3
>             regardless of what the
>              > software projects themselves are. I've had a look at how
>             OSGeo Live works,
>              > but that doesn't help much
>             (https://live.osgeo.org/en/copyright.html
>             <https://live.osgeo.org/en/copyright.html>). Is
>              > there anyone on the list who could help me out with this-
>             basically to
>              > confirm or deny?
>              >
>              > Thanks
>              >
>              > Jo
>              >
>              > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Jo Cook
>             <jocook at astuntechnology.com
>             <mailto:jocook at astuntechnology.com>> wrote:
>              >>
>              >> Hi Jody,
>              >>
>              >> That all sounds really encouraging and yes I'd be happy
>             to go through the
>              >> process with you and the team. We (Astun) potentially
>             have another project
>              >> that we'd like to submit for consideration too, and I'll
>             be in touch
>              >> separately about that one.
>              >>
>              >> Regarding autoit, no you don't need to purchase anything
>             to use it. Having
>              >> thought about this in some more detail, I think I will
>             try to move away from
>              >> that dependency and try to find an open source
>             alternative but that will
>              >> obviously take some time to work through, so it would be
>             good if we could
>              >> start working through the process of becoming a
>             community project while that
>              >> is ongoing.
>              >>
>              >> I'll make some tweaks to the repository to make sure
>             that the various docs
>              >> are easy to find, and then maybe come back to you when
>             that's ready. I want
>              >> to think a little about whether I'm using the most
>             appropriate license too.
>              >>
>              >> Regards
>              >>
>              >> Jo
>              >>
>              >> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Jody Garnett
>             <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>>
>              >> wrote:
>              >>>
>              >>> Glad to hear from you Jo!
>              >>>
>              >>> Although the "OSGeo community" initiative was started
>             last year, we have
>              >>> not had a chance to try it out yet (perhaps due to lack
>             of publicity). If
>              >>> you are patient with us we would enjoy going through
>             this process with you,
>              >>> and revising our notes as we go.
>              >>>
>              >>> The wiki OSGeo Community Projects page has the
>             following recipe:
>              >>>
>              >>> If your project would like to join OSGeo the technology
>             initiative asks:
>              >>>
>              >>> That your project is geospatial (or directly supports
>             geospatial
>              >>> applications);
>              >>>
>              >>> Data & doc projects would of course need an appropriate
>             data or
>              >>> documentation license
>              >>>
>              >>> That your project is open source
>              >>>
>              >>> Uses an OSI approved open source license
>              >>> That you know where your source code came from, and
>             that care is taken
>              >>> when accepting external contributions
>              >>>
>              >>> Participatory (accepts pull-requests)
>              >>>
>              >>>
>              >>> Along with a few notes on how we can quickly check the
>             LICENSE,
>              >>> CONTRIBUTING, README files.
>              >>>
>              >>> autoit
>              >>>
>              >>> Your question about autoit is tricky, it is freely
>             distributable - so not
>              >>> a barrier to use. We are actually in a similar spot for
>             the GeoTools and
>              >>> GeoServer projects. When they were first created Java
>             was not open source so
>              >>> there were some very heated discussions with the gvSig
>             team on if you could
>              >>> ever make a free software solution using Java.
>              >>>
>              >>> But we are an open source software foundation (not at a
>             free software
>              >>> foundation) allowing GeoTools, GeoServer .. and by
>             extension autoit.
>              >>>
>              >>> This question of Java still troubles us, while Java is
>             now open source,
>              >>> the image processing library that was included in Java
>             is still only free to
>              >>> distribute. This causes problems for the OSGeo Live and
>             uDig projects.
>              >>>
>              >>> I would be concerned though if people need to purchase
>             autoit in order to
>              >>> work on your project? There is a slight difference
>             between being required to
>              >>> purchase a tool, and optionally using a tool. For
>             GeoTools we can "work
>              >>> with" the Oracle Database (if user installs the right
>             jars they have
>              >>> downloaded from Oracle) or ArcSDE (if the user installs
>             the right jars they
>              >>> have purchased from ESRI). However if a contributor is
>             not in possession of
>              >>> these artifacts they can still work on the project as a
>             whole.
>              >>>
>              >>>
>              >>>
>              >>> --
>              >>> Jody Garnett
>              >>>
>              >>> On 22 August 2017 at 06:25, Jo Cook
>             <jocook at astuntechnology.com
>             <mailto:jocook at astuntechnology.com>> wrote:
>              >>>>
>              >>>> Hi Incubator List,
>              >>>>
>              >>>> As you may or may not know, I have been running a
>             small project called
>              >>>> Portable GIS (GIS on a USB stick for Windows) for a
>             number of years. The
>              >>>> basic premise is to provide a no-install, no-config
>             version of many of the
>              >>>> common open source GIS projects on a USB stick.
>              >>>>
>              >>>> Recently I built a website for the project
>             (portablegis.xyz <http://portablegis.xyz>) and I'm
>              >>>> working through the process of documenting and
>             publishing all the
>              >>>> configuration changes that need to be made to make
>             projects portable (mainly
>              >>>> batch files to be honest). This also includes the
>             source code for building
>              >>>> the menu and installer files.
>              >>>>
>              >>>> This is on Gitlab at
>             https://gitlab.com/archaeogeek/portable-gis
>             <https://gitlab.com/archaeogeek/portable-gis> so that
>              >>>> I can now start accepting contributions. Note that
>             this repository does not
>              >>>> contain the actual source code for the projects such
>             as QGIS, it just
>              >>>> contains the files that need to be adjusted to make it
>             work portably.
>              >>>>
>              >>>> One of my colleagues has suggested that Portable GIS
>             could be an OSGeo
>              >>>> Community Project, so here I am, asking about it :-)
>              >>>>
>              >>>> My main concern is that autoit, which I used for
>             building the menu, is
>              >>>> freeware rather than opensource (see
>             https://www.autoitscript.com/site/
>             <https://www.autoitscript.com/site/> and
>              >>>> specifically
>             https://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/docs/license.htm
>             <https://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/docs/license.htm>). My gut
>              >>>> feeling is that this bars Portable GIS from being
>             truly open source, and
>              >>>> hence not suitable for being an OSGeo Community
>             Project. Would that be
>              >>>> correct?
>              >>>>
>              >>>> If this was the only bar to entry, I could certainly
>             look at alternative
>              >>>> options for building the menu.
>              >>>>
>              >>>> Regards
>              >>>>
>              >>>> Jo
>              >>>>
>              >>>>
>              >>>>
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>              >>>>
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