[Incubator] Mentor Guidelines (was: Re: [EXTERN] Re: Masterportal - OS Geo Incubator Application Questionnaire)

[Angelos Tzotsos]

Having a meeting sounds like a very good idea.

Best,
Angelos

On 7/25/23 23:11, Jody Garnett wrote:
> Arnulf:
>
> I would love to have a video chat meeting for the incubation committee and
> see what our priorities should be.
>
> The lost documents are on the old osgeo site; new documents were created
> but not for everything (
> https://github.com/OSGeo/osgeo/tree/master/incubation/documents).
>
> We have had new members join, they send an email asking to volunteer. We
> prune the existing membership based on particpation as needed. I think some
> recruiting would be in order; especially as open-source seems to be
> evolving to face new challenges.
>
> Jody
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 12:17 PM Arnulf Christl <
> arnulf.christl at metaspatial.net> wrote:
>
>> Just seeing that my last edit of the Mentor Guidelines [1] is almost 10
>> years old. Won't hurt to revisit... :-)
>>
>> Also, some stable documents are gone [2], [3] we should look into fixing
>> this.
>>
>> When we started out with OSGeo we had the hen and egg problem of coders
>> also wanting to promote their "own" project and we even had some competing
>> projects (pun intended). We were therefore especially careful to craft the
>> rules so as to avoid bias within the committee and also to be as
>> transparent as possible. This is still perfectly valid.
>>
>>  From my experience the mentor does not really have much of a say in
>> accepting a project, they can only help the project do their homework and
>> then recommend it for graduation. The vote happens publicly by committee
>> members and then needs to be promoted to the board of directors who have
>> the last say. In case we get there I would be happy to abstain from the
>> vote - hoping that we still have enough active members to get a
>> representative vote at all.
>>
>> Which brings me to another aspect of the incubation committee: How can new
>> members join, so far we have mostly only lost old  members? Should we maybe
>> actively reach out to generate some interest in the process? I do think
>> that the whole incubation thingy may become more interesting again seeing
>> some projects stray from real Open Source to "mixed" models and even
>> plainly locked-up proprietary licenses and governance. This topic may morph
>> into a new thread if there are others interested in following up.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Seven
>>
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Mentor_Guidelines
>> [2] https://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/statustemplate.html
>> [3]
>> http://old.www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html
>> referenced from https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/incubation/mentor/
>>
>> Am 25.07.23 um 20:03 schrieb Jody Garnett:
>>
>> Greg:
>>
>> Really we just need someone with a few moments of time to check if your
>> project meets the join the osgeo community program
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_Community_Projects_Program>
>> .
>> You are not seeking a mentor presently.
>>
>> OSGeo asked us to write down how we operate here:
>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Committee_Operation
>>
>> Some folks have chosen to vote +0 or -0 if they feel they are too close to
>> a project. There is no requirement to do this however - the important part
>> is that we have clear communication.
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2023 at 9:51:40 AM, Greg Troxel <gdt at lexort.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not really clear on the details here, but I would think that the
>>> osgeo person doing mentorship should not have *any* conflict of interest
>>> about the project.  Or perhaps it is strictly 'mentor' and has nothing
>>> to do with the approval process.
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