[Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

Thu Oct 3 03:30:35 PDT 2024

+1 Jo

On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 2:41 AM Jody Garnett via Incubator <
incubator at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> +1
> - -
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2024 at 7:49:01 AM, Nick Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi James, Jody, it sounds like you came to a conclusion with your
>> discussions. If you have anything to add, or clarify, please do so!
>>
>> Given that we got diverted, I will re-open the motion to include Terra
>> Draw project in OSGeo community initiative:
>>
>> Angelos Tzotsos
>> Arnulf Christl
>> Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
>> Brian M Hamlin
>> Daniel Morissette
>> Dimitris Kotzinos
>> Frank Warmerdam
>> Jo Cook
>> Jody Garnett (chair)
>> Michael Smith
>> Nick Bearman +1
>> Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
>> Steve Lime
>> Tom Kralidis
>>
>> Two weeks from now will take us to 16th October.
>>
>> Please do reply!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Nick.
>> On 19/09/2024 17:09, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>
>> Most headers just indicate the license name and say available in the root
>> of the software project or something. I do understand that JS projects are
>> sensitive to character count - so it is fine to avoid headers - as long as
>> you are doing so on purpose. I think there is often a compile step these
>> days for JS projects that takes care of comments (and even long variable
>> names).
>>
>> As for Leaflet - the OSGeo website is very much in the "empower everyone"
>> mandate and lists all the projects it can.
>> It is for all foss4g software - and is not limited to those that decided
>> to join the foundation. This is about serving the public after all.
>> - -
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2024 at 4:01:52 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jody,
>>>
>>> Thanks for writing out those points, interesting reading. I appreciate
>>> that the file headers are probably a better practice from a licensing
>>> perspective, although there is a slight trade off in that they can add some
>>> 'bulk' to files so to speak which add some friction. Let me think about
>>> that a bit more and what might work well there. Are you aware of scenarios
>>> where people simply reference the copyright name and date and the license
>>> name, rather than the full license text? That might be a good compromise.
>>> On the Leaflet point, it is worth noting that the project is listed on the
>>> OSGeo website under projects which might be slightly confusing: Leaflet
>>> - OSGeo <https://www.osgeo.org/projects/leaflet/>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* 19 September 2024 08:02
>>> *To:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>; Nick
>>> Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project
>>> initative
>>>
>>> Hi James,
>>>
>>> I am happy - the point is to have this conversation and check that you
>>> are doing things on purpose.
>>>
>>>
>>>    - We did confirm that a copyright is not needed on the top of each
>>>    file, it is just a good practice, but revision history can establish
>>>    authorship.
>>>    - We were advised by a lawyer a few years ago that it was a good
>>>    practice to have a license at the top of each file - since many folks
>>>    discover code by searching these days.
>>>    (So not a requirement just passing that on).
>>>    - OpenLayers did the much more extensive checking each file history
>>>    <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenLayers_Provenance_Review>, they
>>>    also have a CLA so great tradability that everyone understood they were
>>>    adding to an open source project.
>>>    - Leaflet is a great project but not associated with OSGeo
>>>
>>>
>>> - -
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2024 at 12:43:47 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Jody,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I am still looking for a definition of
>>> what you mean by 'applied correctly' in this scenario. The repository has
>>> an MIT License file and there is no source code in the project (to my
>>> knowledge) that is not MIT compatibly licensed. To my understanding, unlike
>>> Apache 2 or GPL the MIT Licence does not require it to be referenced at the
>>> top of every source file.
>>>
>>> If it is a requirement of being a OSGeo Community Project I can look at
>>> how we could apply a short notice to the top of the source files. Just an
>>> observation on this more broadly though, I checked the source for OpenLayers
>>> (BSD-2)
>>> <https://github.com/openlayers/openlayers/blob/main/src/ol/extent/Relationship.js> and
>>> Leaflet (BSD-2)
>>> <https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/blob/main/src/map/Map.js>, and
>>> neither seem to have a notice at the top of their source files.
>>>
>>> Regarding the documentation, currently I would consider the docs to be
>>> MIT Licensed although with the rest of the project, but I see why the docs
>>> been CC0 being helpful. Let me think on that as it's a great point.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* 19 September 2024 04:42
>>> *To:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>; Nick
>>> Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project
>>> initative
>>>
>>> I am looking for an assurance from you that the license has been applied
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> *The assur*ance that you have checked, and perhaps showing the PR would
>>> be *just fine.*
>>>
>>> When reviewing I try and find:
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. An example of a file that can be fixed:
>>>    https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/src/store/store.spec.ts
>>>    This file does not have a header - do you expect it to?
>>>
>>>    2. An example of a check from another project (this is a MIT project
>>>    that recently became a community project):
>>>
>>>    https://github.com/microsoft/torchgeo/blob/main/torchgeo/datasets/agb_live_woody_density.py
>>>
>>>    An example of a js file from another community project:
>>>
>>>    https://github.com/mapcentia/vidi/blob/master/public/js/gc2/gc2table.js
>>>
>>>
>>> Does that help?
>>>
>>> Also a question for you as an MIT project... do you consider the MIT
>>> license as applying to the documentation?
>>> https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/tree/main/docs
>>>
>>> Some project choose a CC license?
>>> https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/
>>>
>>>    - CC0 or CC BY 4.0 is close in spirit to MIT allowing writers to
>>>    remix the documentation into their own work
>>>    - CC BY-SA 4.0 is close in spirit to GPL (copyleft approach must
>>>    retain license)
>>>    - MIT ... um ... consider the documentation source code (imply that
>>>    authors need to cite / quote your work like a book)
>>>
>>>
>>> Also many thanks :)
>>> - -
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2024 at 10:39:08 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jody,
>>>
>>> Hope you're well. Thanks for raising this - I wasn't sure if it was
>>> needed for me to respond here or Nick, but can you clarify what you mean by
>>> file headers in this situation? Terra Draw is MIT licensed and the released
>>> library does not currently have any runtime dependencies (we do have some
>>> development time dependencies). In addition we do adapt some code from the
>>> MIT licensed Turf.js project and we call this out at the start of files
>>> where it happens. I just raised a PR that standardises and clarifies those
>>> acknowledgements a bit better.
>>>
>>> Let me know if I can do anything else I can do to ensure this
>>> requirement is met.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Jody
>>> Garnett via Incubator <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> *Sent:* 10 September 2024 16:02
>>> *To:* Nick Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project
>>> initative
>>>
>>> You can propose Nick,
>>>
>>> I think Regina just went over the checklist
>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> for
>>> website page?
>>>
>>> For the osgeo community project checklist
>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I am especially interested in conforming that Terra Draw has gone
>>> through their file headers (this is the first step of the code providence
>>> review that takes such a long time in incubation).
>>>
>>> Context: For the website we ask that they choose a license. To be
>>> community project we ask that they check that it is applied correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>> - -
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2024 at 8:12:19 AM, Nick Bearman via Incubator <
>>> incubator at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> (I think I can formally propose this, tell me if I am wrong and it
>>> should be Jody as Chair!)
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to make the following motion:
>>>
>>> > Motion to include Terra Draw project in OSGeo community initiative
>>>
>>> The repository is here https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw and
>>> meets our OSGeo
>>> community initiative checklist (thanks Regina)
>>>
>>> The motion is held open for two weeks until 24th September.
>>>
>>>
>>> Angelos Tzotsos
>>> Arnulf Christl
>>> Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
>>> Brian M Hamlin
>>> Daniel Morissette
>>> Dimitris Kotzinos
>>> Frank Warmerdam
>>> Jo Cook
>>> Jody Garnett (chair)
>>> Michael Smith
>>> Nick Bearman
>>> Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
>>> Steve Lime
>>> Tom Kralidis
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Nick.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30/08/2024 10:10, James Milner via Incubator wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Jody and Regina,
>>>
>>> Thanks both for getting back to me with the review. Apologies, I
>>> probably could have been a bit more detailed in my original email after
>>> viewing some of the other email applications! I followed the instructions
>>> provided, it was all very clear no real feedback except I missed where to
>>> upload the 'framed screenshot' image but figured it out eventually. The
>>> template images were really helpful with the correct dimensions and layouts
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> I would actually say the more complicated part, and maybe I missed
>>> something here, was the initial process of getting here. I was mostly
>>> following instructions for Incubation Committee - OSGeo
>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> rather
>>> than Add a Project - OSGeo
>>> <https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/> which
>>> may have confused things slightly, as it took me a while to figure out how
>>> to sign up for an OSGeo ID then get the mantra, then also sign up for the
>>> mailing list. Maybe the wiki should just link to the OSGeo Add a Project
>>> page rather than having two 'sources of truth' so to speak? I also wonder
>>> if the OSGeo signup process could be simplified to use some sort of
>>> automated CAPTCHA rather than emailing the mantra? Hope this is helpful
>>> feedback.
>>>
>>> I have submitted the Terra Draw project for review, let me know if there
>>> are any adjustments to make.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* 28 August 2024 20:47
>>> *To:* Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> <lr at pcorp.us>
>>> *Cc:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>>> <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>; incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Terra Draw
>>>
>>> Seems good, thanks for your application James and review Regina.
>>>
>>> James I would really *love* your feedback on the new "Add a project
>>> <https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/>"
>>> instructions. Easy feedback like typos, but most importantly and confusion
>>> or questions you have.
>>>
>>> I have added "project author" to your profile.
>>> - -
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 looks okay to me.
>>>
>>>    1. I see license file
>>>    2. contributing file
>>>    3. getting started guides -
>>>    https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/guides/1.GETTING_STARTED.md
>>>    4. Many releases
>>>    5. Healthy number of contributors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> @Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> any concerns?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> *On Behalf Of *James
>>> Milner via Incubator
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2024 2:54 PM
>>> *To:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>> *Subject:* [Incubator] Terra Draw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Incubation committee:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to ask permission to list my project "Terra Draw" on the
>>> OSGeo website in order to share my work with the community.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terra Draw is a JavaScript library which allows for drawing and editing
>>> of geometries on maps. It works with a selection of different mapping
>>> providers, including Leaflet, MapLibre and OpenLayers and has been going
>>> for over 2 years now and I am eager to help more people use it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The repository is located here:
>>> https://www.github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw and is released under
>>> the MIT license
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My OSGeo userid is "jameslmilner" and I will need permission to create a
>>> project page.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
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