[Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project initative

Wed Oct 2 15:21:32 PDT 2024

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Jody Garnett

On Oct 2, 2024 at 7:49:01 AM, Nick Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com> wrote:

> Hi James, Jody, it sounds like you came to a conclusion with your
> discussions. If you have anything to add, or clarify, please do so!
>
> Given that we got diverted, I will re-open the motion to include Terra
> Draw project in OSGeo community initiative:
>
> Angelos Tzotsos
> Arnulf Christl
> Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
> Brian M Hamlin
> Daniel Morissette
> Dimitris Kotzinos
> Frank Warmerdam
> Jo Cook
> Jody Garnett (chair)
> Michael Smith
> Nick Bearman +1
> Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
> Steve Lime
> Tom Kralidis
>
> Two weeks from now will take us to 16th October.
>
> Please do reply!
>
> Best wishes,
> Nick.
> On 19/09/2024 17:09, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> Most headers just indicate the license name and say available in the root
> of the software project or something. I do understand that JS projects are
> sensitive to character count - so it is fine to avoid headers - as long as
> you are doing so on purpose. I think there is often a compile step these
> days for JS projects that takes care of comments (and even long variable
> names).
>
> As for Leaflet - the OSGeo website is very much in the "empower everyone"
> mandate and lists all the projects it can.
> It is for all foss4g software - and is not limited to those that decided
> to join the foundation. This is about serving the public after all.
> - -
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2024 at 4:01:52 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> Thanks for writing out those points, interesting reading. I appreciate
>> that the file headers are probably a better practice from a licensing
>> perspective, although there is a slight trade off in that they can add some
>> 'bulk' to files so to speak which add some friction. Let me think about
>> that a bit more and what might work well there. Are you aware of scenarios
>> where people simply reference the copyright name and date and the license
>> name, rather than the full license text? That might be a good compromise.
>> On the Leaflet point, it is worth noting that the project is listed on the
>> OSGeo website under projects which might be slightly confusing: Leaflet
>> - OSGeo <https://www.osgeo.org/projects/leaflet/>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 19 September 2024 08:02
>> *To:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>; Nick
>> Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project
>> initative
>>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> I am happy - the point is to have this conversation and check that you
>> are doing things on purpose.
>>
>>
>>    - We did confirm that a copyright is not needed on the top of each
>>    file, it is just a good practice, but revision history can establish
>>    authorship.
>>    - We were advised by a lawyer a few years ago that it was a good
>>    practice to have a license at the top of each file - since many folks
>>    discover code by searching these days.
>>    (So not a requirement just passing that on).
>>    - OpenLayers did the much more extensive checking each file history
>>    <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OpenLayers_Provenance_Review>, they also
>>    have a CLA so great tradability that everyone understood they were adding
>>    to an open source project.
>>    - Leaflet is a great project but not associated with OSGeo
>>
>>
>> - -
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2024 at 12:43:47 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jody,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply. I guess I am still looking for a definition of
>> what you mean by 'applied correctly' in this scenario. The repository has
>> an MIT License file and there is no source code in the project (to my
>> knowledge) that is not MIT compatibly licensed. To my understanding, unlike
>> Apache 2 or GPL the MIT Licence does not require it to be referenced at the
>> top of every source file.
>>
>> If it is a requirement of being a OSGeo Community Project I can look at
>> how we could apply a short notice to the top of the source files. Just an
>> observation on this more broadly though, I checked the source for OpenLayers
>> (BSD-2)
>> <https://github.com/openlayers/openlayers/blob/main/src/ol/extent/Relationship.js> and
>> Leaflet (BSD-2)
>> <https://github.com/Leaflet/Leaflet/blob/main/src/map/Map.js>, and
>> neither seem to have a notice at the top of their source files.
>>
>> Regarding the documentation, currently I would consider the docs to be
>> MIT Licensed although with the rest of the project, but I see why the docs
>> been CC0 being helpful. Let me think on that as it's a great point.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 19 September 2024 04:42
>> *To:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>; Nick
>> Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project
>> initative
>>
>> I am looking for an assurance from you that the license has been applied
>> correctly.
>>
>> *The assur*ance that you have checked, and perhaps showing the PR would
>> be *just fine.*
>>
>> When reviewing I try and find:
>>
>>
>>    1. An example of a file that can be fixed:
>>    https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/src/store/store.spec.ts
>>    This file does not have a header - do you expect it to?
>>
>>    2. An example of a check from another project (this is a MIT project
>>    that recently became a community project):
>>
>>    https://github.com/microsoft/torchgeo/blob/main/torchgeo/datasets/agb_live_woody_density.py
>>
>>    An example of a js file from another community project:
>>
>>    https://github.com/mapcentia/vidi/blob/master/public/js/gc2/gc2table.js
>>
>>
>> Does that help?
>>
>> Also a question for you as an MIT project... do you consider the MIT
>> license as applying to the documentation?
>> https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/tree/main/docs
>>
>> Some project choose a CC license?
>> https://chooser-beta.creativecommons.org/
>>
>>    - CC0 or CC BY 4.0 is close in spirit to MIT allowing writers to
>>    remix the documentation into their own work
>>    - CC BY-SA 4.0 is close in spirit to GPL (copyleft approach must
>>    retain license)
>>    - MIT ... um ... consider the documentation source code (imply that
>>    authors need to cite / quote your work like a book)
>>
>>
>> Also many thanks :)
>> - -
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Sep 16, 2024 at 10:39:08 AM, James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> Hope you're well. Thanks for raising this - I wasn't sure if it was
>> needed for me to respond here or Nick, but can you clarify what you mean by
>> file headers in this situation? Terra Draw is MIT licensed and the released
>> library does not currently have any runtime dependencies (we do have some
>> development time dependencies). In addition we do adapt some code from the
>> MIT licensed Turf.js project and we call this out at the start of files
>> where it happens. I just raised a PR that standardises and clarifies those
>> acknowledgements a bit better.
>>
>> Let me know if I can do anything else I can do to ensure this requirement
>> is met.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Jody
>> Garnett via Incubator <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Sent:* 10 September 2024 16:02
>> *To:* Nick Bearman <nick at nickbearman.com>
>> *Cc:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Motion: Project Terra Draw community project
>> initative
>>
>> You can propose Nick,
>>
>> I think Regina just went over the checklist
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> for
>> website page?
>>
>> For the osgeo community project checklist
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_2:_Join_OSGeo_Community_Projects_Initiative>
>> ...
>>
>> I am especially interested in conforming that Terra Draw has gone through
>> their file headers (this is the first step of the code providence review
>> that takes such a long time in incubation).
>>
>> Context: For the website we ask that they choose a license. To be
>> community project we ask that they check that it is applied correctly.
>>
>>
>> - -
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2024 at 8:12:19 AM, Nick Bearman via Incubator <
>> incubator at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>
>> (I think I can formally propose this, tell me if I am wrong and it should
>> be Jody as Chair!)
>>
>>
>> I would like to make the following motion:
>>
>> > Motion to include Terra Draw project in OSGeo community initiative
>>
>> The repository is here https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw and
>> meets our OSGeo
>> community initiative checklist (thanks Regina)
>>
>> The motion is held open for two weeks until 24th September.
>>
>>
>> Angelos Tzotsos
>> Arnulf Christl
>> Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
>> Brian M Hamlin
>> Daniel Morissette
>> Dimitris Kotzinos
>> Frank Warmerdam
>> Jo Cook
>> Jody Garnett (chair)
>> Michael Smith
>> Nick Bearman
>> Regina Obe (+1 from 28th Aug)
>> Steve Lime
>> Tom Kralidis
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Nick.
>>
>>
>> On 30/08/2024 10:10, James Milner via Incubator wrote:
>>
>> Hey Jody and Regina,
>>
>> Thanks both for getting back to me with the review. Apologies, I probably
>> could have been a bit more detailed in my original email after viewing some
>> of the other email applications! I followed the instructions provided, it
>> was all very clear no real feedback except I missed where to upload the
>> 'framed screenshot' image but figured it out eventually. The template
>> images were really helpful with the correct dimensions and layouts needed.
>>
>> I would actually say the more complicated part, and maybe I missed
>> something here, was the initial process of getting here. I was mostly
>> following instructions for Incubation Committee - OSGeo
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Incubation_Committee#Step_1:_Add_OSGeo_Website_Project_Page> rather
>> than Add a Project - OSGeo
>> <https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/> which
>> may have confused things slightly, as it took me a while to figure out how
>> to sign up for an OSGeo ID then get the mantra, then also sign up for the
>> mailing list. Maybe the wiki should just link to the OSGeo Add a Project
>> page rather than having two 'sources of truth' so to speak? I also wonder
>> if the OSGeo signup process could be simplified to use some sort of
>> automated CAPTCHA rather than emailing the mantra? Hope this is helpful
>> feedback.
>>
>> I have submitted the Terra Draw project for review, let me know if there
>> are any adjustments to make.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> James
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* 28 August 2024 20:47
>> *To:* Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> <lr at pcorp.us>
>> *Cc:* James Milner <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>
>> <jamesmilner22 at hotmail.com>; incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Incubator] Terra Draw
>>
>> Seems good, thanks for your application James and review Regina.
>>
>> James I would really *love* your feedback on the new "Add a project
>> <https://www.osgeo.org/community/getting-started-osgeo/add-a-project/>"
>> instructions. Easy feedback like typos, but most importantly and confusion
>> or questions you have.
>>
>> I have added "project author" to your profile.
>> - -
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM, Regina Obe <lr at pcorp.us> wrote:
>>
>> +1 looks okay to me.
>>
>>    1. I see license file
>>    2. contributing file
>>    3. getting started guides -
>>    https://github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw/blob/main/guides/1.GETTING_STARTED.md
>>    4. Many releases
>>    5. Healthy number of contributors
>>
>>
>>
>> @Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> any concerns?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Incubator <incubator-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> *On Behalf Of *James
>> Milner via Incubator
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 28, 2024 2:54 PM
>> *To:* incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>> *Subject:* [Incubator] Terra Draw
>>
>>
>>
>> Incubation committee:
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to ask permission to list my project "Terra Draw" on the
>> OSGeo website in order to share my work with the community.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terra Draw is a JavaScript library which allows for drawing and editing
>> of geometries on maps. It works with a selection of different mapping
>> providers, including Leaflet, MapLibre and OpenLayers and has been going
>> for over 2 years now and I am eager to help more people use it.
>>
>>
>>
>> The repository is located here:
>> https://www.github.com/JamesLMilner/terra-draw and is released under the
>> MIT license
>>
>>
>>
>> My OSGeo userid is "jameslmilner" and I will need permission to create a
>> project page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>>
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