[Industry] development model vs business model

Mon Aug 25 00:36:39 PDT 2014

Agree with Peter here.

And that’s why it’s so important that the marketing committee at OSGeo gets revived, it’s been dormant for years and years. The board should also make sure there is sufficient budget associated with it for it to operate.

Best regards,
Bart

On 25 Aug 2014, at 09:32, Peter Baumann <p.baumann at jacobs-university.de> wrote:

> extremely important discussion, great to see the pieces come together! 
> We're getting at it: like any organization acting in the public, OSGeo needs a comprehensive, carefully crafted communication strategy, including clear-cut messages suitable for the target groups (not ourselves!), manifest, eg, in ready-made slide decks, posters and flyers that can be readily printed & distributed; plus well-defined, efficient decision processes - ie, the board needs a mandate to act (& delegate).
> 
> my 2 cents,
> Peter
> 
> PS: I agree that "fair trade open source" is nice, but IMHO we shouldn't open yet another challenge while the basic one - effective market communication - is still unsolved.
> 
> 
> On 08/25/2014 08:48 AM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>> Not so fast, there are already rules, how to speak on behalf of OSGeo. Everybody always drops an e-mail to the list, and informs/asks for permission to speak on behalf of OSGeo.
>> 
>> Board members are going to some events, but as already said, we have big community of autonomous people and this is our strength.
>> 
>> So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented on some event, ask in the list and talk about it.
>> 
>> What we are missing are some rules regarding our brand and representation used on business cards ... Funny, topic actually
>> 
>> Jachym
>> 
>> Send from cellphone
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>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel Charvat" <charvat at ccss.cz> wrote:
>> I agree with this, but on other side, we need some rules how to do this. I was in past in leadership of other organisation EFITA and now  I am in leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case, there are necessary to define rules, how to go, how to speak on behalf of community. It is not good and impossible  if for example anybody will speak or make presentation on behalf of Community. In such case, it could be chaos.  For example to have presentation on conferences or eventually organise some exhibition has to be task of responsible persons (Probably board of President), I can promote OSGEO as part of our activities, but I cannot go for example to European Commission and speak on behalf of OSGEO. Every time some responsibility is necessary
>> 
>> Karel
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: Jachym Cepicky [mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM
>> To: Karel Charvat
>> Cc: industry at lists.osgeo.org; Even Rouault; dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
>> Subject: RE: [Industry] development model vs business model
>> 
>>  
>> Hi Karel,
>> 
>> As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as possible, but it never is one man show. You are registered as OSGeo advocate as well, as well as other community members. It was always said, that community is our biggest strength. And this is the case.
>> 
>> Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach other communities. But Foss4g-europe is about our community, to support it.
>> 
>> Just 2 cents
>> 
>> Jachym
>> 
>> Send from cellphone
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jachym Cepicky
>> e-mail: jachym.cepicky gmail com
>> URL: http://les-ejk.cz
>> GPG: http://les-ejk.cz/pgp/JachymCepicky.pgp
>> 
>> Give your code freedom with PyWPS -http://pywps.wald.intevation.org
>> 
>> On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel Charvat" <charvat at ccss.cz> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I would like make some comments from position of  business. I am new in this forum, but I am long time involved as manager in integration of system and development of software (mainly OS}. We are using OSGEO products and we are also trying to put our development towards community, so support OS development (not OSGEO products, there we have only small contribution).
>> But I have to say, that not many others companies in Czech are doing the same and probably they don’t plan to do the some. I am sure, that most of them respect license, but they use OS in the some way as proprietary software, only without obligation to pay (and this is main reason).
>> It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair trade branch, but what is necessary to start build OSGEPO brand. I am afraid, that most of developers and also customers (public servant's} are aware about OSGEO.
>> And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not way, how to reach community. I am sure, that information about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well reaching community OSGEO community, but not to much outside. So there is necessary, that OSGEO will be active outside of FOSS4GI events, local national European, Global. Only this is the way.
>> I think  that in Czech Jachym start to do it in good way, but all is long process
>> Karel
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne
>> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM
>> To: Even Rouault; industry at lists.osgeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business model
>> 
>> Even,
>> 
>> On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:
>> > Le vendredi 22 août 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz Łoskot a écrit :
>> >> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com> wrote:
>> >>> reacting on the comments of Mateusz:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:
>> >>>> Sorry for crossposting, but this snippet from the thread
>> [...]
>> >
>> > If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open source" label (or more
>> > specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo software"),  it would be difficult
>> > to do that in a ... fair way, because you would have to measure
>> > somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo with respect to the value made by using OSGeo software.
>> The fact something will be difficult does not mean impossible.
>> The first thing we would have to do is to define why open source (in general - but as far as we are concerned for Geo) is important, and what is "fair" and what is not.
>> This can be done by listening to people who are using open source for business. Why they choose for OSGeo software, and what they think is fair (or only legal).
>> 
>> I think a good opportunity to start with this is the proposed business track on the next FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's for such a business track are being discussed in the thread "when and where" [1].
>> From such testimonials we can learn what "we" define as "Fair" and establish guidelines, which when followed allows a business entity, an academic user or an administration to label themselves as respecting these guidelines.
>> This could be a good first start for this difficult task.
>> 
>> >
>> > Even
>> D.
>> [1]
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html
>> 
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