[Industry] development model vs business model

Tue Aug 26 22:11:31 PDT 2014

Hi Jachym,               

I agree and also disagree with your comments

big community of autonomous people and this is our strength.

It could be both, strength but also weakness. Without some coordination, could happened, that organization is not well readable. Usualy is better, if organization have large number of supporters, but small number of speakers

Karel

From: Jachym Cepicky [mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 8:49 AM
To: Karel Charvat
Cc: industry at lists.osgeo.org; dirk frigne; Even Rouault
Subject: RE: [Industry] development model vs business model

Not so fast, there are already rules, how to speak on behalf of OSGeo. Everybody always drops an e-mail to the list, and informs/asks for permission to speak on behalf of OSGeo. 

Board members are going to some events, but as already said, we have big community of autonomous people and this is our strength.

So, once you would like to have OSGeo presented on some event, ask in the list and talk about it.

What we are missing are some rules regarding our brand and representation used on business cards ... Funny, topic actually

Jachym

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On Aug 25, 2014 2:19 AM, "Karel Charvat" <charvat at ccss.cz <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz> > wrote:

I agree with this, but on other side, we need some rules how to do this. I was in past in leadership of other organisation EFITA and now  I am in leadership of Club of Ossiach. But in any case, there are necessary to define rules, how to go, how to speak on behalf of community. It is not good and impossible  if for example anybody will speak or make presentation on behalf of Community. In such case, it could be chaos.  For example to have presentation on conferences or eventually organise some exhibition has to be task of responsible persons (Probably board of President), I can promote OSGEO as part of our activities, but I cannot go for example to European Commission and speak on behalf of OSGEO. Every time some responsibility is necessary

Karel

From: Jachym Cepicky [mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:31 PM
To: Karel Charvat
Cc: industry at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org> ; Even Rouault; dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com> 
Subject: RE: [Industry] development model vs business model

Hi Karel,

As you said, I try to promote OSGeo as much as possible, but it never is one man show. You are registered as OSGeo advocate as well, as well as other community members. It was always said, that community is our biggest strength. And this is the case.

Yes, we have to step out of our nich, to reach other communities. But Foss4g-europe is about our community, to support it.

Just 2 cents

Jachym

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On Aug 24, 2014 3:43 PM, "Karel Charvat" <charvat at ccss.cz <mailto:charvat at ccss.cz> > wrote:

Hi all,
I would like make some comments from position of  business. I am new in this forum, but I am long time involved as manager in integration of system and development of software (mainly OS}. We are using OSGEO products and we are also trying to put our development towards community, so support OS development (not OSGEO products, there we have only small contribution).
But I have to say, that not many others companies in Czech are doing the same and probably they don’t plan to do the some. I am sure, that most of them respect license, but they use OS in the some way as proprietary software, only without obligation to pay (and this is main reason).
It is nice idea to start promote FOSS Fair trade branch, but what is necessary to start build OSGEPO brand. I am afraid, that most of developers and also customers (public servant's} are aware about OSGEO.
And FOSS4GI event (global or European) are not way, how to reach community. I am sure, that information about FOSS4GI (Europe) is well reaching community OSGEO community, but not to much outside. So there is necessary, that OSGEO will be active outside of FOSS4GI events, local national European, Global. Only this is the way.
I think  that in Czech Jachym start to do it in good way, but all is long process
Karel

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From: industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>  [mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> ] On Behalf Of Dirk Frigne
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:28 AM
To: Even Rouault; industry at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:industry at lists.osgeo.org> 
Subject: Re: [Industry] development model vs business model

Even,

On 22-08-14 21:31, Even Rouault wrote:
> Le vendredi 22 août 2014 15:45:45, Mateusz Łoskot a écrit :
>> On 22 August 2014 14:28, Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com> > wrote:
>>> reacting on the comments of Mateusz:
>>>
>>> On 22-08-14 12:03, Dirk Frigne wrote:
>>>> Sorry for crossposting, but this snippet from the thread
[...]
>
> If we were to deliver a "Fair trade open source" label (or more
> specifically "Fair trade of OSGeo software"),  it would be difficult
> to do that in a ... fair way, because you would have to measure
> somehow the value contributed back to OSGeo with respect to the value made by using OSGeo software.
The fact something will be difficult does not mean impossible.
The first thing we would have to do is to define why open source (in general - but as far as we are concerned for Geo) is important, and what is "fair" and what is not.
This can be done by listening to people who are using open source for business. Why they choose for OSGeo software, and what they think is fair (or only legal).

I think a good opportunity to start with this is the proposed business track on the next FOSS4G-Europe conference. The idea's for such a business track are being discussed in the thread "when and where" [1].
>From such testimonials we can learn what "we" define as "Fair" and establish guidelines, which when followed allows a business entity, an academic user or an administration to label themselves as respecting these guidelines.
This could be a good first start for this difficult task.

>
> Even
D.
[1]
http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference-europe/2014-August/000173.html

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