[Live-demo] Re: Review of copyright.html page

Sat Aug 6 23:44:28 EDT 2011

I've had no further comment on the update text for the copyright.html 
page as updated last week.
http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/copyright.html

Assuming there isn't any further comment within 24 hours, by Monday 8 
Aug, I'll set the status of this document to "5.0final" and hand over to 
translators.

Note that the "Documentation Contributors" table is populated by 
extracting names from the ":Author:" and ":Reviewer:" tags in the 
documentation.
If you have written a document, and your name is not mentioned, then 
please add a line,

:Author: Your Name

On 31/07/11 18:23, Cameron Shorter wrote:
> On 25/07/11 10:39, Simon Cropper wrote:
>> Cameron,
>>
>> Here are my comments on the text on the page you provided a link to...
>> http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/copyright.html
>>
>> <sniped my text>
>>> Software on OSGeo-Live is available under various Open Source
>>> licenses, as described on project websites, and copied into the
>>> Project Overviews.
>>
>> It is unclear what you are trying to say here. Is the software copied 
>> into the project overview? I think you mean that content available on 
>> the various project websites have been used in the preparation of the 
>> Project Overviews (presumably the source documents are appropriately 
>> licensed for this to occur or permission has been obtained from the 
>> original authors as described is the post 
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/2011-July/003766.html)
>
> ok, I've simplified the text to:
> Software on OSGeo-Live is available under various Open Source 
> licenses, as listed in the Project Overviews.
>
>>
>>> Data on OSGeo-Live is available under various Open Licences.
>
>>> Attributing OSGeo-Live Documentation¶
>>
>> Strictly speaking this is not related to copyright. maybe you should 
>> call this webpage 'legal issues' and break the content up into (a) 
>> software, (b) data, (c) documentation.
>
> Thanks for this advice, but I think I'll keep page name as 
> "copyright.html"
> For simplicity and usability, I'd like to keep all this related 
> information on the same page, and I'd like to keep the page titled 
> with the most important part of the page, which is the copyright.
>
>>
>>> As per the terms of the Creative Commons license, if you include
>>> OSGeo-Live documentation into a new document, you will need to
>>> attribute the authors using text similar to:
>>
>>> This document includes [Project Overviews and/or Quickstarts] from
>>> the OSGeo-Live project which is created by OSGeo-Live authors, as
>>> listed under Documentation Authors.
>>
>> I would prefer...
>> This document includes [extent: all/part] of the [Project Overview 
>> and/or Quickstart] titled "[document title]" created by [author] and 
>> released under the [licence: CC-BY/CC-BY-SA] licence [URL to Legal 
>> Code]. The source document forms part of the "[document series]", 
>> available from [url] and downloaded on [download date].
>>
>> When part of the document is used, an additional statement must be 
>> include similar to...
>> 1. The original work has been modified [describe how work has
>>    been changed], or
>> 2. The original work was translated from English to [language]
>>
>> So, as an example...
>> This document includes all of the Quickstart titled "gvSIG 
>> Quickstart" created by Simon Cropper and released under the Creative 
>> Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported licence 
>> (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode). The source 
>> document forms part of the "OSGeo-Live Project, version 5.0", 
>> available from 
>> http://adhoc.osgeo.osuosl.org/livedvd/docs/en/quickstart/gvsig_quickstart.html 
>> and downloaded on 25 July 2011. The original work was translated from 
>> English to Deutch.
>
> Simon,
> I agree that the above text is an appropriate way to attribute an 
> author in a large 100 page essay where there is space for a few pages 
> of references.
> However, many OSGeo-Live derivatives will be for short marketing type 
> documents like Project Overviews, where every word counts. Documents 
> with lots of words are less likely to be read, which is contrary to 
> the goals of OSGeo-Live. As such, I'm aiming to provide derivative 
> authors the option to use concise versions of attribution which fit 
> within the types of documents they are creating.
>
> What I've done is provided 4 options for attributing OSGeo-Live docs. 
> It includes a verbose option based on your words, then 3 other concise 
> options.
>
> *Verbose, suitable for a 100 page thesis:*
>
>     CC-By-SA-med <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/> This
>     document includes content from the “gvSIG Quickstart” created by
>     Simon Cropper under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike
>     3.0 Unported licence,
>     http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ available from the
>     OSGeo-Live project,
>     http://live.osgeo.org/en/quickstart/gvsig_quickstart.html, and
>     downloaded on 25 July 2011. The original work was translated from
>     English to German.
>
> *Concise CC-By-SA and attribution:*
>
>     © 2011 [Your Name] under a CC By SA License
>     <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/>. [Derived
>     from|Includes|Extends] OSGeo-Live <http://live.osgeo.org>
>     documentation by OSGeo-Live contributors
>     <http://live.osgeo.org/en/copyright.html>.
>
> *Alternative Concise CC-By and attribution:*
>
>     CC-By-small <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/> © 2011
>     [Your Name]. [Derived from|Includes|Extends] OSGeo-Live
>     <http://live.osgeo.org> Project Overviews by OSGeo-Live
>     contributors <http://live.osgeo.org/en/copyright.html>.
>
> *Minimum (for Project Overviews), attribution only:*
>
>     This document includes OSGeo-Live <http://live.osgeo.org> Project
>     Overviews by OSGeo-Live contributors
>     <http://live.osgeo.org/en/copyright.html>.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>> Note: If Quickstarts are included, which are licenced under the `CC
>>> By-SA <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/>`_ license,
>>> then the new document will also need to be licenced under the
>>>  `CC By-SA <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/>`_.
>>
>> Note that the RST markup has not been converted to HTML.
> Fixed now.
>>
>>> Documentation Authors¶
>>
>>> The table below credits the creators for each of the documents on
>>> OSGeo-Live .
>>
>>> TBD: Insert a table which includes:
> Now populated with data extracted from the Project Overviews and 
> Quickstarts.
>
>>
>>> Document, License(s), List of Authors and/or owners
>>
>> Here we differ again in the interpretation of the legal code. I 
>> personally think that the names of an author should be displayed at 
>> the top of every document they create, with the appropriate license 
>> clearly shown.
>>
>> For example, at the top of the "gvSIG Quickstart", I would expect to 
>> see immediately after the title...
>>
>> Content and Screen Dumps on this page created by (c) Simon Cropper 
>> 2011, Creative Commons - Attribution - ShareAlike with URL to the 
>> appropriate license deed.
>>
>> At the bottom of the page, I would expect to see something like...
>>
>> OSGeo Live Project website, logos and associated images not 
>> attributed to particular authors were created by the LiveDVD Team and 
>> are released under the license CC-BY [URL] licence. (c) OSGeo 
>> Foundation and LISASoft 2011 [URL to copyright page].
>
> As per comment above, for this type of marketing material I'm aiming 
> to make the docs as concise as possible.
> I've provided a "Copyright & Disclaimer" link at the bottom of the 
> page which links to this copyright.html page
>
>>
>>> Disclaimer¶
>>
>>> The contents of OSGeo-Live are provided by the copyright holders and
>>> contributors “as is” and any express or implied warranties,
>>> including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of the
>>> merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose are disclaimed.
>>> In no event shall the copyright owner or contributors be liable for
>>> any direct, indirect, incidental, special, exemplary, or
>>> consequential damages (including, but not limited to, procurement of
>>> substitute goods or services; loss of use, date, or profits; or
>>> business interruption) however caused and on any theory of liability,
>>> whether in contract, strict liablity, or tort (including negligence
>>> or otherwise) arising in any way out of the use of this software,
>>> even if advised of the possibility of such damage.
>>
>> This is redundant as it is clearly expressed in Clause 5 & 6 of the 
>> CC-BY and CC-BY-SA licenses.
>
> This disclaimer is required in order to cover the software and data on 
> OSGeo-Live.
>>
>> You should avoid creating multiple versions of these disclaimers as 
>> they can readily become out of sync.
> Noted, but I think in this case, both disclaimers will cover any gaps 
> of the other (rather than create a loophole as you suggest).
> Ie, we AND the licenses, rather than OR.
>
>>
>> If you want something, maybe text like...
>>
>> As defined in the Clause 5 & 6 of the legal code of the CC-BY and 
>> CC-BY-SA 3.0 unported licences the following representations, 
>> warranties, disclaimer and limitation on liability apply. If there 
>> are any discrepancies between this page and the original legal code, 
>> the legal code takes precedence.
>>
>> 5. Representations, Warranties and Disclaimer
>>
>> UNLESS OTHERWISE MUTUALLY AGREED TO BY THE PARTIES IN WRITING, 
>> LICENSOR OFFERS THE WORK AS-IS AND MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR 
>> WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND CONCERNING THE WORK, EXPRESS, IMPLIED, 
>> STATUTORY OR OTHERWISE, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTIES OF 
>> TITLE, MERCHANTIBILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, 
>> NONINFRINGEMENT, OR THE ABSENCE OF LATENT OR OTHER DEFECTS, ACCURACY, 
>> OR THE PRESENCE OF ABSENCE OF ERRORS, WHETHER OR NOT DISCOVERABLE. 
>> SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OF IMPLIED WARRANTIES, 
>> SO SUCH EXCLUSION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
>>
>> 6. Limitation on Liability.
>> EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW, IN NO EVENT WILL 
>> LICENSOR BE LIABLE TO YOU ON ANY LEGAL THEORY FOR ANY SPECIAL, 
>> INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, PUNITIVE OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES ARISING OUT 
>> OF THIS LICENSE OR THE USE OF THE WORK, EVEN IF LICENSOR HAS BEEN 
>> ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Cameron Shorter
> Geospatial Director
> Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
> Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254
>
> Think Globally, Fix Locally
> Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
> http://www.lisasoft.com

-- 
Cameron Shorter
Geospatial Director
Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

Think Globally, Fix Locally
Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source
http://www.lisasoft.com

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