[Live-demo] Some rough metrics about OSGeo-Live use

Fri Jan 11 22:05:53 PST 2013

There has been discussion about moving from DVD to 8 Gig USB 
distribution for OSGeo-Live in order to create space for extra datasets 
and future applications.

I'm nervous to move away from the DVD as our primary form of 
distribution for at least a couple of years, as it is still by far the 
most used version of OSGeo-Live. This is largely due to conference 
organisors erring toward the cheaper option of a DVD instead of a USB.

Here are some rough metrics, which I've derived (partly from an educated 
guess) from:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_History

For the year of 2012:
* OSGeo-Live made a presence at 45 spatial events around the world.

* Most events made use of a variant of the OSGeo-Live presentation.

* ~ 3,000 DVDs were handed out at ~ 20 of these events, often to all 
participants

* ~ 300 USBs were handed out

* The DVD was used in ~ 20 workshops
* The VM was used in ~ 30 workshops
* The USB was used in ~ 3 workshops

On 12/01/13 05:17, Alex Mandel wrote:
> How common are dual layer DVD players/burners? The might work for
> production runs from a pro company but be almost impossible for a
> regular user who manages to download the file.
>
> Also, we have many users who already struggle with being able to
> download 3.5 GB in a reasonable amount of time.
>
> Keep the ideas coming though, we will have to make a decision about what
> to do at some point. Personally, I still have the goal of getting
> everything to debian style packaging, which means we can ship a smaller
> selection and give people the ability to download more stuff if they
> want to add on.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> On 01/11/2013 06:40 AM, Beccati, Alan wrote:
>> Hi Barend,
>>
>> Probably an uninformed question but what is wrong with 8GB DVDs?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From:live-demo-bounces at lists.osgeo.org  [live-demo-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf ofb.j.kobben at utwente.nl  [b.j.kobben at utwente.nl]
>> Sent: 11 January 2013 10:13
>> To: Baumann, Peter;live-demo at lists.osgeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] "big" data sets on OSGeo Live
>>
>> No, I guess steve Jobs didn't like it ;-)
>>
>> But seriously, putting the LiveDVD only on a 8Gb stick would seriously
>> diminish its worth for people who use it in education. You want to be able
>> to carry something to workshops and courses that you know will start up
>> (almost) everywhere, and is not too costly to give away on a regular basis
>> to larger groups. The DVD image is great for that, and I strongly urge you
>> to maintain one.
>> Which artifact to give away at FOSS4G conferences is another story I
>> guess, but please make sure there is an ISO out there to make a useful
>> DVD.
>>
>> Barend
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10-01-13 23:15, "Peter Baumann"<p.baumann at jacobs-university.de>  wrote:
>>
>>> wow, a Mac can't do that?? I don't even hcarry a DVD drive with me any
>>> longer on
>>> my Kubuntu box. Space for a second battery... :)
>>>
>>> On 01/10/2013 11:02 PM,b.j.kobben at utwente.nl  wrote:
>>>> But you can start up anything from a DVD and many things wont start
>>> >from USB (e.g. my Mac)
>>>> --
>>>> Barend Köbben (Senior Lecturer)
>>>> ITC - University of Twente,
>>>> Faculty of Geo-Information Science and Earth Observation
>>>> PO Box 217, 7500AE Enschede (The Netherlands)
>>>> +31-(0)53 4874 253
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From:live-demo-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> [live-demo-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] on behalf of Peter Baumann
>>>> [p.baumann at jacobs-university.de]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 22:57
>>>> To: Angelos Tzotsos
>>>> Cc:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Live-demo] "big" data sets on OSGeo Live
>>>>
>>>> So making the offer official :) - rasdaman can gladly sponsor the price
>>>> difference between 4 and 8 GB for the 500+ sticks needed for FOSS4G.
>>>> -Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/10/2013 10:53 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>>>> Another thing that was brought up was the possibility to use 8GB USB
>>>>> drives
>>>>> for FOSS4G, which would mean that the mini iso could go up to 4.4G to
>>>>> fit on
>>>>> the DVD and the full iso (with the installers) would fit on the USB
>>>>> drive.
>>>>> Can this extra cost be covered somehow?
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/10/2013 11:47 PM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Peter and thanks for bringing this topic here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be great to have more data space and perhaps we can save
>>>>>> some space
>>>>>> if we track which projects use non common data-sets.
>>>>>>   From the IRC discussion there was a thought to include a
>>>>>> hyperspectral
>>>>>> dataset so that rasdaman, OTB, OSSIM, EOxServer and GRASS to use in
>>>>>> common.
>>>>>> Any thoughts on that? Should we play safe with free MODIS dataset or
>>>>>> is there
>>>>>> another suggestion? Would it be ok if we limit this to ~50MB size or
>>>>>> would we
>>>>>> need more? I know this is not enough for a good remote sensing
>>>>>> dataset, but
>>>>>> we are short on disk space currently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I liked the idea of using some web services for demo purposes in
>>>>>> addition to
>>>>>> data included in the disk as long as there is a notice to the user
>>>>>> that those
>>>>>> are available only with internet connection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About projects mentioned:
>>>>>> MapGuide is actually not included in the disk due to that large
>>>>>> footprint
>>>>>> (caused by mono dependency).
>>>>>> Marble in large because its dependencies for Qt bring in large parts
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> KDE libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We definitely need to hear more from the projects on this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Angelos
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi listers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as space is running short on the ISO we need to reconsider sizings.
>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>> today's OSGel Live chat I was tasked to initiate this discussion.
>>>>>>> Current
>>>>>>> disk footprint of each application is available from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdGIzd0VLLTBpQ
>>>>>>> VJuNVlHMlBWSDhKLXc#gid=13
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Top riders currently:
>>>>>>> - mapguide: 550mb
>>>>>>> - marble: 300 mb (includes disk caching!)
>>>>>>> - grass >250mb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One way of saving space is to enlarge it (ie, go to 8 GB) which is
>>>>>>> unclear
>>>>>>> due to some unresolved questions; another one is to deflate unused
>>>>>>> datasets,
>>>>>>> a third one to share data among applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can I ask all those with 3-digit disk hunger to chime into this
>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Peter Baumann
>>>>     - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>>>>       www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
>>>>       mail:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
>>>>       tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
>>>>     - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>>>>       www.rasdaman.com, mail:baumann at rasdaman.com
>>>>       tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
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>>>> 1083)
>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Dr. Peter Baumann
>>>   - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
>>>     www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann
>>>     mail:p.baumann at jacobs-university.de
>>>     tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
>>>   - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
>>>     www.rasdaman.com, mail:baumann at rasdaman.com
>>>     tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
>>> "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis
>>> ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli
>>> destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD
>>> 1083)
>>>
>>>
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