[Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Sat Jun 1 15:47:51 PDT 2013


James,
Good question.

I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get 
OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away" 
install for testing software.

However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live, 
maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In 
particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a 
DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an 
emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking 
through all these issues).

On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:
>
> What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live?  (My 
> presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be 
> directly on the internet.)
>
> My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and 
> database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and 
> experiment.  This is different than how things would be properly 
> configured and secured as internet facing services.
>
> When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way 
> to get started, try things, and see what can be done with the 
> software.  However, they should really do their own install if they 
> plan to use it for production use.
>
> On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter at gmail.com 
> <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...
>
>     On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
>
>         Cameron,
>
>         I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more
>         involved than I
>         may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a
>         time. It will
>         take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what
>         I can tell
>         the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?
>
>     Not quite:
>
>     Key Milestones
>
>         17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old
>     applications updated
>         15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)
>         05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)
>         26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers
>
>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40
>
>           I won't be able to make the IRC
>         meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the
>         following week.
>
>     I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our
>     meeting details here:
>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us
>
>         Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple
>         steps I can
>         start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you
>         think would be
>         good first steps?
>
>
>     I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for
>     building OSGeo-Live in the cloud.
>     First, see if it is possible.
>     Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be
>     automated so we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle.
>     Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud
>     install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work.
>
>     It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything
>     right. Our first USB release was considered beta and had known
>     issues and it took a few releases before we started recommending it.
>
>     As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.
>
>
>         @Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely
>         comfortable
>         with that route.
>
>         --Paul Ramirez
>
>
>         On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter"
>         <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>             (continuing on osgeolive email list)
>
>             Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting
>             of OSGeoLive
>             is a huge value add for the community, and something that
>             opens the door
>             for many other opportunities.
>
>             I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core
>             OSGeo-Live team
>             as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud
>             hosting a
>             central focus of our 7.0 release.
>             Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into
>             the greater
>             community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.
>             Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new
>             distribution platform.
>
>             I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and
>             someone such as
>             yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it
>             already, then
>             it is a win for everyone.
>
>             Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:
>             http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule
>
>             And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants
>             here:
>             http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi
>             nating.html
>             (This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify
>             spending time on
>             OSGeo-Live)
>
>             On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
>
>                 Paul,
>
>                 If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to
>                 commit it to the
>                 svn repository directly (see
>                 http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion).
>                 Or you can send
>                 the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (
>                 http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or
>                 attach it to a
>                 ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ )
>
>                 Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should
>                 continue the
>                 discussion.
>
>                 Thanks,
>                 Alex
>
>                 On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
>
>                     Hi Alex,
>
>                     Will definitely let the community know when this
>                     is done. Fairly
>                     certain
>                     we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM
>                     going and if you guys
>                     want to add this documentation upstream in the
>                     site that would be
>                     great,
>                     are you the person to send that type of
>                     information to? This is
>                     something
>                     that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM
>                     Depot side.
>
>                     If we run into any snafus with the VM format that
>                     can't be overcome
>                     fairly
>                     easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up
>                     changing the VM
>                     format
>                     we'll push that upstream too.
>
>                     Thanks,
>                     Paul Ramirez
>
>                     On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel"
>                     <tech_dev at wildintellect.com
>                     <mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>> wrote:
>
>                         On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J)
>                         wrote:
>
>                             All,
>
>                             Not sure who to ask but figured this list
>                             could provide some insight.
>                             I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and
>                             make it available on VM Depot
>                             [2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot
>                             is really just a community
>                             catalog of VMs that could  be easily spun
>                             up on Microsoft Azure. I
>                             would
>                             eventually like to do the same on Amazon
>                             but for now this work aligns
>                             with other efforts in my day job. It don't
>                             think there will be that
>                             much
>                             effort involved in doing this but I wanted
>                             to make sure that this
>                             wasn't
>                             already done by someone and that it was
>                             okay to essentially
>                             redistribute
>                             this work.
>
>                             The intended purpose of this is to help
>                             make it easier for some NASA
>                             Earth Science people I work with to have a
>                             platform to explore these
>                             technologies. We would eventually extend
>                             on this VM with ways to
>                             interact with NASA services/examples but
>                             figured this was an easy
>                             way to
>                             get bootstrapped. The other motivation we
>                             have is to infuse FOSS4G
>                             technologies into our data systems so this
>                             seemed like an avenue to
>                             do
>                             such a thing.
>
>                             A little background on me. I was lucky
>                             enough to be able to
>                             participate
>                             on the planning committee for this years
>                             FOSS4G NA but unfortunately
>                             sequestered and unable to attend.
>                             Currently, I'm helping lead some
>                             working groups within NASA that focus on
>                             Geospatial efforts so my
>                             motivation there is to help tie that
>                             community to this one. I've
>                             worked
>                             for NASA for quite some time but over the
>                             last 2 years have become
>                             passionate about the open source efforts
>                             in the geospatial community.
>
>                             Essentially, I really want to make sure
>                             that I credit OSGeo and all
>                             the
>                             people that did the work but at the same
>                             time not infringe on their
>                             efforts in any way. Any pointers,
>                             thoughts, concerns, etc. would be
>                             greatly appreciated.
>
>                             Sincerely,
>                             Paul Ramirez
>
>                             [1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
>                             [2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index
>
>
>                         It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't
>                         think anyone has done it
>                         yet,
>                         so you should and post back with the info for
>                         the community. We can
>                         even
>                         add a link in the documentation about how to
>                         create a VM on Azure
>                         based
>                         on the upload. We have talked about an EC2
>                         instance also but no one
>                         has
>                         done that yet either.
>
>                         Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM
>                         drive in another format...
>
>                         Thanks,
>                         Alex
>
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>             -- 
>             Cameron Shorter
>             Geospatial Solutions Manager
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>
>     -- 
>     Cameron Shorter
>     Geospatial Solutions Manager
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-- 
Cameron Shorter
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Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050
Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254

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