[Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot

Sat Jun 1 16:01:16 PDT 2013

James & Cameron,

My intention was to start with the VM and make it available on VM Depot and as an AMI so that it could be easily run on the respective cloud platforms (Azure and Amazon). From there creating an OSGeo-Server version on the cloud would seem to need more forethought and work put into it.

--Paul

From: Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>
Date: Saturday, June 1, 2013 3:47 PM
To: James Klassen <jklassen at sharedgeo.org<mailto:jklassen at sharedgeo.org>>
Cc: "live-demo at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>" <live-demo at lists.osgeo.org<mailto:live-demo at lists.osgeo.org>>, JPL <paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:paul.m.ramirez at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Subject: Re: [Live-demo] [OSGeo-Discuss] OSGeo-Live 6.5 on VM Depot

James,
Good question.

I'd suggest the first priority is to just work out if we can get OSGeo-Live working on a cloud platform, being run as a "throw away" install for testing software.

However, a next step could be to build a server version of OSGeo-Live, maybe "OSGeo-Server" which has a different set of priorities. In particular, the server version need not be constrained by the size of a DVD, should be optimised for server performance, and should have an emphasis on security. (There is quite a bit of work involved in thinking through all these issues).

On 02/06/13 08:40, James Klassen wrote:

What are the thoughts on securing a cloud version if OSGeo-Live?  (My presumption is that a cloud hosted installation would likely be directly on the internet.)

My observation is the packages (and particularly the server and database components) are installed such that it is easy to explore and experiment.  This is different than how things would be properly configured and secured as internet facing services.

When I introduce people to OSGeo-Live, I tell them it is a great way to get started, try things, and see what can be done with the software.  However, they should really do their own install if they plan to use it for production use.

On Jun 1, 2013 5:18 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
Paul, sorry for the delayed response ...

On 31/05/13 12:11, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
Cameron,

I'm up to giving this a go. There seems to be much more involved than I
may have thought of initially but I'll take it one step at a time. It will
take me a little bit to come up to speed on this but from what I can tell
the goal is to have 7.0 by October 3rd?
Not quite:

Key Milestones

    17 Jun 2013 All new applications installed, most old applications updated
    15 Jul 2013 Feature Freeze (all apps updated)
    05 Aug 2013 User Acceptance Test (all apps installed and working)
    26 Aug 2013 Final ISO sent to printers

http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_40

  I won't be able to make the IRC
meeting tomorrow (12:30pm PT) but will start attending the following week.
I think you had the wrong day anyway. I've just updated our meeting details here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Contact_Us

Looking at the Wiki page referenced there are some simple steps I can
start taking to come on board. Anything in particular you think would be
good first steps?

I think the key thing we need to work out is a process for building OSGeo-Live in the cloud.
First, see if it is possible.
Then we need to work out how building in the cloud can be automated so we can do this regularly as part of our build cycle.
Next: How can we help a few 100 developers get access to the cloud install so they can debug their application if it doesn't work.

It will be ok to take a few releases before we get everything right. Our first USB release was considered beta and had known issues and it took a few releases before we started recommending it.

As you suggest, a few steps at a time is a good plan.

@Alex, sounds good on the direct updates to svn definitely comfortable
with that route.

--Paul Ramirez

On 5/30/13 1:58 PM, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:

(continuing on osgeolive email list)

Paul, excellent to hear about your proposal. Cloud hosting of OSGeoLive
is a huge value add for the community, and something that opens the door
for many other opportunities.

I'd like to propose that you embed yourself in the core OSGeo-Live team
as we move into the OSGeo-Live 7.0 release, and make cloud hosting a
central focus of our 7.0 release.
Advantages to yourself is that you'd be able to tap into the greater
community to help debug issues on the cloud platform.
Advantages to the community is that we'd get a new distribution platform.

I expect this would require quite a bit of work, and someone such as
yourself to anchor the activity. But if you are doing it already, then
it is a win for everyone.

Our 7.0 schedule is linked from here:
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Schedule

And I describe the value OSGeo-Live brings to participants here:
http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/memoirs-of-cat-herder-coordi
nating.html
(This is sometimes useful to show managers to justify spending time on
OSGeo-Live)

On 31/05/2013 5:52 AM, Alex Mandel wrote:
Paul,

If you write a quickstart we can grant you access to commit it to the
svn repository directly (see
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#Subversion). Or you can send
the file to the OSGeo Live mailing list (
http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/live-demo) or attach it to a
ticket ( http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ )

Copying this to the OSGeo Live list where we should continue the
discussion.

Thanks,
Alex

On 05/30/2013 10:00 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
Hi Alex,

Will definitely let the community know when this is done. Fairly
certain
we'll have a quick start on how to do get the VM going and if you guys
want to add this documentation upstream in the site that would be
great,
are you the person to send that type of information to? This is
something
that will get done in the next few weeks on the VM Depot side.

If we run into any snafus with the VM format that can't be overcome
fairly
easily I'll take you up on the offer. If we end up changing the VM
format
we'll push that upstream too.

Thanks,
Paul Ramirez

On 5/30/13 8:39 AM, "Alex Mandel" <tech_dev at wildintellect.com<mailto:tech_dev at wildintellect.com>> wrote:

On 05/30/2013 07:10 AM, Ramirez, Paul M (398J) wrote:
All,

Not sure who to ask but figured this list could provide some insight.
I'd like to take the OSGeo-Live [1] and make it available on VM Depot
[2] run by Microsoft Open Tech. VM Depot is really just a community
catalog of VMs that could  be easily spun up on Microsoft Azure. I
would
eventually like to do the same on Amazon but for now this work aligns
with other efforts in my day job. It don't think there will be that
much
effort involved in doing this but I wanted to make sure that this
wasn't
already done by someone and that it was okay to essentially
redistribute
this work.

The intended purpose of this is to help make it easier for some NASA
Earth Science people I work with to have a platform to explore these
technologies. We would eventually extend on this VM with ways to
interact with NASA services/examples but figured this was an easy
way to
get bootstrapped. The other motivation we have is to infuse FOSS4G
technologies into our data systems so this seemed like an avenue to
do
such a thing.

A little background on me. I was lucky enough to be able to
participate
on the planning committee for this years FOSS4G NA but unfortunately
sequestered and unable to attend. Currently, I'm helping lead some
working groups within NASA that focus on Geospatial efforts so my
motivation there is to help tie that community to this one. I've
worked
for NASA for quite some time but over the last 2 years have become
passionate about the open source efforts in the geospatial community.

Essentially, I really want to make sure that I credit OSGeo and all
the
people that did the work but at the same time not infringe on their
efforts in any way. Any pointers, thoughts, concerns, etc. would be
greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Paul Ramirez

[1] http://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html
[2] http://vmdepot.msopentech.com/List/Index

It is absolutely ok to distribute. I don't think anyone has done it
yet,
so you should and post back with the info for the community. We can
even
add a link in the documentation about how to create a VM on Azure
based
on the upload. We have talked about an EC2 instance also but no one
has
done that yet either.

Let us know if you need anything, ie the VM drive in another format...

Thanks,
Alex

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