[Live-demo] OSGeo-Live 11.0 - should kosmo continue to be included?

Sergio Baños Calvo listas at saig.es
Thu Jun 8 00:55:04 PDT 2017 

Hi Cameron.

It's almost imposible to merge the projects again in one only: we have 
done so many changes to the JUMP core code that it differs a lot from 
the original one and can be merged back to other JUMP branches.

We share a base common, so some plugins and tools can be translated from 
one project to another (e.g.: some Kosmo CAD tools have been ported to 
OpenJUMP a few weeks ago, and some OpenJUMP plugins were translated and 
added to Kosmo Desktop a few years ago). But the changes done to the 
common core avoids any possibility to merge both in only one project.

Some examples of the changes:

  * Datasources: Kosmo Desktop uses an "on demmand" architecture, we
    don't load the whole layer into memory as JUMP do.
  * Projections: Kosmo Desktop allows vectorial (and raster for the new
    version) on the fly reprojection. This is not possible in JUMP, as
    projections aren't taken into account.
  * Rendering engine: Kosmo Desktop uses a different rendering engine.
  * Extension mechanism: Similar between both projects, but we have
    pushed some changes that are not valid for OpenJUMP.
  * Project files: Totally different approaches.
  * Simbology: Totally different approaches, Kosmo uses a simbology very
    close to the SLD standard

Regards,

El 07/06/2017 a las 22:06, Cameron Shorter escribió:
>
> Hi Sergio,
>
> Further to Angelos' email.
>
> As I understand it, Kosmo is one of a number of forks of the Jump 
> codebase? Are there opportunities to combine the projects back 
> together again, and then benefit from combined communities and combine 
> marketing?
>
> Maybe handle differences by using a plugin concept (which is the 
> approach used by QGIS)?
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>
> On 8/6/17 3:40 am, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>> Hi Sergio,
>>
>> Thank you for updating the metrics page and for your contribution of 
>> Kosmo to the OSGeo-Live.
>>
>> I went through the links provided in the metrics page and I landed in 
>> Kosmo's home page.
>> I realized that we have been promoting Kosmo v3.1 through OSGeo-Live 
>> for some releases now, but actually this version was never released 
>> on your page. This is not a good open source practice, and reflects 
>> bad to both projects.
>>
>> You mentioned a 3.2 release coming soon, I hope to see that version 
>> officially released so we can consider adding Kosmo back to OSGeo-Live.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Angelos
>>
>>
>> On 06/06/2017 11:37 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> I'm looping the osgeo-live email list into this conversation, to 
>>> open up the opportunity to comment.
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/17 11:15 pm, Sergio Baños Calvo wrote:
>>>> Hi Cameron.
>>>>
>>>> Here it's the OpenHub metrics for Kosmo Desktop (sorry for the 
>>>> delay, i had some problems to get them up to date):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.openhub.net/p/kosmo_desktop
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to check and let me know if it's worth to let Kosmo 
>>>> Desktop form part of the OSGeo-LiveDVD.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> El 31/05/2017 a las 21:49, Cameron Shorter escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Sergio for looking into this.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are open to being convinced that kosmo is still a project that 
>>>>> should be on OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/5/17 6:29 pm, Sergio Baños Calvo wrote:
>>>>>> Good morning Cameron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are bad news :(...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * There is no version change of Kosmo for a number of releases.
>>>>>> We haven't increased the Kosmo Desktop number version due to 
>>>>>> internal reasons. The next OsGeo-LiveDVD would include the new 
>>>>>> 3.2 version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * We don't have any OpenHub metrics for Kosmo to check community 
>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>> I'm taking care of this, I'll warn you as soon as the openhub 
>>>>>> metrics are all completed so you can check the activity and could 
>>>>>> change the opinion about the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 27/05/2017 a las 21:50, Cameron Shorter escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sergio,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have identified Kosmo as a candidate for retiring from 
>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live. The reasons for considering this are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * There is no version change of Kosmo for a number of releases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * We don't have any OpenHub metrics for Kosmo to check community 
>>>>>>> activity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the question we ask is "Should we recommend new users adopt 
>>>>>>> Kosmo over equivalent Open Source GIS alternatives?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A good way to demonstrate that is by demonstrating an active 
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel free to CC the OSGeo-Live list with your response if you like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/5/17 4:27 pm, Sergio Baños Calvo wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Astrid,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll check and prepare the latest one to be added to the new 
>>>>>>>> version of OSGeo-Live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Project Overview and Quickstart will be valid for the new 
>>>>>>>> one, but I'll check and add the newest functionalities (and 
>>>>>>>> some use cases) to both of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El 09/05/2017 a las 21:09, astroidex at gmail.com escribió:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sergio,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we have started our build cycle for OSGeo-Live 11.0, due to be 
>>>>>>>>> released at the end of July 2017, in time for FOSS4G 2017 in 
>>>>>>>>> August.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are interested to know which version of kosmo should be 
>>>>>>>>> installed on OSGeo-Live 11.0?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Version 3.1 was installed on OSGeo-Live 10.5.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that our installer feature freeze is 5. June 2017!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please give us feedback and get involved or provide a 
>>>>>>>>> different person as contact person, which will update your 
>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are asking all OSGeo-Live projects to let us know:
>>>>>>>>> 1. What versions of projects should be on OSGeo-Live?
>>>>>>>>> 2. Are there any new projects which should be on OSGeo-Live?
>>>>>>>>> 3. Are there any projects which should be dropped from 
>>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you think we should drop kosmo from OSGeo-Live?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As per last announcement [1], with our next OSGeo-Live release 
>>>>>>>>> we intend to focus on quality, and as such will be asking each 
>>>>>>>>> project:
>>>>>>>>> 1. To help install the latest stable version of the software.
>>>>>>>>> 2. To verify Project Overview and Quickstarts are both up to 
>>>>>>>>> date and in line with our documentation standards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can see results of our first pass review in our status 
>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet [2], column T "11.0 comment", and column U "10.0 
>>>>>>>>> Doc Review".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Press_Release_75
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [2] 
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMlM8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Key Milestones
>>>>>>>>> -------------------
>>>>>>>>>  15-May-2017 Decide versions of applications to be installed 
>>>>>>>>> on OSGeo-Live
>>>>>>>>>  22-May-2017 Draft installers for new applications complete
>>>>>>>>>   5-Jun-2017   OSGeo-Live Feature Freeze (final application 
>>>>>>>>> versions installed)
>>>>>>>>>  19-Jun-2017  OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final application 
>>>>>>>>> versions installed - Beta stage)
>>>>>>>>>  24-Jul-2017   OSGeo-Live Final ISO
>>>>>>>>>  14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... full schedule 
>>>>>>>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are waiting for your response concerning your project 
>>>>>>>>> kosmo. Any questions, please ask via the OSGeo-Live mailing 
>>>>>>>>> list (live-demo at lists.osgeo.org) or directly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Astrid
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Astrid Emde
>>>>>>>>> Charter Member
>>>>>>>>> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Astrid_Emde
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sergio Baños Calvo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jefe de desarrollos / Development chief
>>>>>>>> Sistemas Abiertos de Información Geográfica,S.L. (SAIG S.L.)
>>>>>>>> Tlfno. móvil / Mobile phone: (+34) 685005960
>>>>>>>> Tlfno. fijo / Office phone: (+34) 954788876
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> E-mail: sbc at saig.es
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Cameron Shorter
>>>>>>> M +61 419 142 254
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sergio Baños Calvo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jefe de desarrollos / Development chief
>>>>>> Sistemas Abiertos de Información Geográfica,S.L. (SAIG S.L.)
>>>>>> Tlfno. móvil / Mobile phone: (+34) 685005960
>>>>>> Tlfno. fijo / Office phone: (+34) 954788876
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-mail: sbc at saig.es
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Cameron Shorter
>>>>> M +61 419 142 254
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Sergio Baños Calvo
>>>>
>>>> Jefe de desarrollos / Development chief
>>>> Sistemas Abiertos de Información Geográfica,S.L. (SAIG S.L.)
>>>> Tlfno. móvil / Mobile phone: (+34) 685005960
>>>> Tlfno. fijo / Office phone: (+34) 954788876
>>>>
>>>> E-mail: sbc at saig.es
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> -- 
>> Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>> Charter Member
>> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
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-- 

Sergio Baños Calvo

Jefe de desarrollos / Development chief
Sistemas Abiertos de Información Geográfica,S.L. (SAIG S.L.)
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