[Live-demo] Translations and Proj4 documentation

Julien Moquet moquet.julien at gmail.com
Thu Jun 22 14:43:00 PDT 2017 

I've got an experience in translating postgresql english documentation into
french.
And what we got, despite all considerations, is that a solo translator make
a better quality work than many !
So I let him go alone on it (his nickname is "gleu") (sarcastic lol).

That's because there is a lot of vocabulary involving technical words that
need experience on the tool, in the specific language.
And a large documentation need to be homogeneous.
May be transifex will help on this purpose, to share vocabulary.

Regards,

Julien.

2017-06-22 21:38 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:

> Hello Julien,
>
> For opinions on translation, I defer mostly to people with more experience
> that me. (I'm afraid I only speak English).
>
> Cheers, Cameron.
>
> On 21/6/17 8:00 am, Vicky Vergara wrote:
>
> Hello Julien.
>
> +1 to wait for transifex translations for new documents or completely
> rewritten documents.
>
> and focus the efforts of the translators on the files with "not so many
> changes".
> So that, when moving to transifex the already translated strings, we know
> are "almost" valid strings.
>
>
> Vicky
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Julien Moquet <moquet.julien at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Cameron,
>>
>> Yes, and I made a tweet out of it !
>> Thank you for your help too.
>>
>> About the translations, as transifex will arrive soon (thanks to Vicky
>> !), it should be a good idea to wait a bit more, and let them use and
>> practice transifex rather than text on github. Vicky tell me how to add the
>> french translation by myself before.
>> What do you think of ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien.
>>
>> 2017-06-20 22:45 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Julien,
>>>
>>> In case you missed it, I've reviewed your Proj4 Project Overview, pull
>>> request is here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/pull/216
>>> Thanks for your work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17/6/17 7:19 am, Julien Moquet wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Cameron,
>>>
>>>
>>> >> Vicky has mentioned that she is helping her brother who is in
>>> hospital, so she will be short on spare time for a bit.
>>>
>>> Thank you for telling me. I am sure she'd be back soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> >> I hope to have a chance to review your proj4 doc updates this
>>> weekend, from a readability point of view.
>>>
>>> I'm done with proj4 on my side : doc & iso 10.5 are good for me.
>>> I am about to pull request it.
>>>
>>> It would have been done whatever the release it is for. It wasn't so
>>> much work to do.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julien.
>>>
>>> 2017-06-16 22:22 GMT+02:00 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>
>>>> Vicky has mentioned that she is helping her brother who is in hospital,
>>>> so she will be short on spare time for a bit.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to have a chance to review your proj4 doc updates this weekend,
>>>> from a readability point of view.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>
>>>> On 16/6/17 7:15 am, Julien Moquet wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Vicky,
>>>>
>>>> I am downloading the 10.5 iso in order to make the test.
>>>>
>>>> I had a look to pgRouting's quickstart, and made a very few change :
>>>> are you agree to be proj4's quickstart's reviewer ?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Julien.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-06-14 20:29 GMT+02:00 Julien Moquet <moquet.julien at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Vicky,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not in the incubating list as a human being, but metacrs is :
>>>>> http://www.osgeo.org/incubator
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll have a look on pgRouting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Julien.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-06-14 3:02 GMT+02:00 Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Julien,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now about the documentation
>>>>>> I see you've worked on your fork, these are the differences:
>>>>>> is that correct?
>>>>>> https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive-doc/compare/master...juli
>>>>>> en2512:master
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dont think you are incubating project (I dont see it in the list of
>>>>>> incubating projects), so this might not apply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .. image:: ../../images/logos/OSGeo_incubation.png
>>>>>>   :scale: 100 %
>>>>>>   :alt: OSGeo Project
>>>>>>   :align: right
>>>>>>   :target: http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ​
>>>>>> ​But I see you advanced a lot on the documentation 👍​
>>>>>> ​You might as well do the PR so that the other members of the team
>>>>>> can give you feed back.​
>>>>>> ​Vicky.​
>>>>>> ​​
>>>>>> PS, in pgRouting   the documentation is done in such a way, to make
>>>>>> minimal changes in further releases of OSGeo Live.
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Julien Moquet <
>>>>>> moquet.julien at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Vicky,
>>>>>>> My fork is up to date regarding the overview and quickstart:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/julien2512/OSGeoLive-doc
>>>>>>> Before making a pull request, I need to test it over the
>>>>>>> OsGeoLive-10.5 (on wednesday or thursday).
>>>>>>> Although, as I read the sources.list include in this version, I
>>>>>>> don't really think the latest proj4 will be used.
>>>>>>> The ubuntugis is used for that, and there is only the stable 4.8.0-3
>>>>>>> proj4 release to be used. See : http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubunt
>>>>>>> ugis/ubuntugis-unstable/ubuntu/pool/main/p/proj/
>>>>>>> and https://github.com/OSGeo/OSGeoLive/blob/osgeolive_10_5/sourc
>>>>>>> es.list.d/ubuntugis.list
>>>>>>> That's why I finally don't have to change the proj4 release on its
>>>>>>> overview.
>>>>>>> I only bypass the metacrs and stuff.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Julien.
>>>>>>> 2017-06-11 18:11 GMT+02:00 Vicky Vergara <vicky at georepublic.de>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Julien, et all
>>>>>>>> Maybe you can help me.
>>>>>>>> It so happened that I sent another mail asking about what version
>>>>>>>> to use, while reviewing today, I saw that I didn't send the mail to proj4.
>>>>>>>> (my mail merge skills are not so good)
>>>>>>>> So, here is the hand made mail:
>>>>>>>> Hi all, With the upcoming OSGeo-Live 11.0 reboot, we will be
>>>>>>>> re-inserting each project into the OSGeo-Live baseline once someone from
>>>>>>>> each project has replied to confirm that they have reviewed docs and
>>>>>>>> verified the application works as expected. Can you please:  0. Reply by
>>>>>>>> return email to confirm that you have recieved this email and that you are
>>>>>>>> able to check docs within the next 2 weeks. (sooner would be better if you
>>>>>>>> can)  1. Reply to confirm the Project Overview is still accurate, or has
>>>>>>>> been updated, (and version numbers are correct)  2. Reply to confirm you
>>>>>>>> have run a recent OSGeo-Live version (the previous 10.5 version is ok), and
>>>>>>>> updated the quickstart where needed.  We understand that version 4.9.2 of
>>>>>>>> proj4 will be installed on OSGeo-Live 11.0 (Version 4.9.2 was installed on
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live 10.5.)
>>>>>>>> (all in one reply is ok)
>>>>>>>> Full package status can be seen here:
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q5BaEgQtgw4O1bXyeWMl
>>>>>>>> M8XtAOhUgcjZ7Y2O0FZc2H0/edit?hl=en_GB#gid=2014800150 Key
>>>>>>>> Milestones ------------------- 18-Jun-2017    All docs reviewed
>>>>>>>> and verified 21-Jun-2017    OSGeo-Live delivered to UAT (final
>>>>>>>> application versions installed - Beta stage) 24-Jul-2017
>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live Final ISO 14-Aug-2017 FOSS4G 2017 Boston ... full
>>>>>>>> schedule http://spreadsheets.google.com
>>>>>>>> /ccc?key=0Al9zh8DjmU_RdE1SYUN3YWJ2N1NpSUczbW9IRWZNclE&hl=en_GB
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Cameron Shorter <
>>>>>>>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Julien,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for offering to help with translations. I'm looping in Niko
>>>>>>>>> and Vicky who are currently wrestling with trying to get transifex to work.
>>>>>>>>> If you are familiar with it, you might be able to help them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/17 3:22 am, Julien Moquet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> >> It would be ok to say "Proj4 has been translated into other
>>>>>>>>> languages, including proj4js, ..." > Agreed that metacrs is probably a bit
>>>>>>>>> too ..
>>>>>>>>> I am fully agree too.
>>>>>>>>> And as OsGeoLive aims to be multilanguages, I can help on the
>>>>>>>>> proj4 French Translation pages.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-31 22:15 GMT+02:00 Even Rouault <
>>>>>>>>> even.rouault at spatialys.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On jeudi 1 juin 2017 05:57:38 CEST Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Hi Evan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Yes, MetaCRS was a project gathering all the Proj4 projects
>>>>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > However, it appears that proj4 is the only project in that
>>>>>>>>>> grouping
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > which is active?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Hence my thoughts are that "MetaCRS" should be dropped from
>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo-Live
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > as a concept and "Proj4" be used instead. It would be ok to say
>>>>>>>>>> "Proj4
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > has been translated into other languages, including proj4js,
>>>>>>>>>> ..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Your thoughts are welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding what is listed currently in metacrs :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - proj4js: no opinion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - cs-map: no-opinion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - geotiff/libgeotiff: heavily used underneath by GDAL in
>>>>>>>>>> particular, mostly in maintaince mode, but can be treated as a technical
>>>>>>>>>> dependency that doesn't require to be visible from users.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - proj4j: no opinion
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - spatialreference.org: not maintained in years. http://epsg.io/
>>>>>>>>>> would be a possible replacement
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Agreed that metacrs is probably a bit too ... meta for folks
>>>>>>>>>> exploring OSGeo-Live content, so it could make sense exposing proj.4 as a
>>>>>>>>>> standalone project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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