[mapguide-internals] Berkeley DBXML native libraries on Linux

Thu May 20 22:44:00 EDT 2010

Why should I have to use a programmer's code management tool (SVN) to check out something to tell me load "xyz" when I could access it from a document on a webpage?  I may not even be at my workstation.  I'm NOT going to load those tools on a production server.  

There are numerous complaints on this forum about new/inexperienced/inept people not knowing the simplest things, yet we don't truly have proper clear documentation on what is needed?  If you tell me as sysadmin I need this, this and this in each of there respective versions and I need this configured specially to these specs, I can do that without a problem.  If I'm expected to read all of the trouble tickets, code, wikis, blogs, home pages etc, just to get a list, how many errors will I have?  A LOT.

Want more people using beta?  Make it easier.

When I worked as gis admin at one of the largest power companies in the US, I had to follow production management procedures for SOX compliance.  The programmers didn't like it when they had to write the docs up.  But they DID LIKE it when they didn't have to deal with it again, especially in the middle of the night.

Martin

PS: Just to be clear, some people on the list deserved to be flamed for the lack of programming skills and the questions they asked...nobody in this present discussion fits the criteria.

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From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Zac Spitzer [zac.spitzer at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Berkeley DBXML native libraries on Linux

if we go with option 3, can't we use svn externals rather than document
where to get the code?

at the same time can we add the dependant fdo version via svn
externals as well?

with the whats included info, are they all available in the standard
repos for centos/ubuntu/rh it wasn't exactly clear?

z

On 21 May 2010 09:43, Jason Birch <jason at jasonbirch.com> wrote:
> It would be cool to get regular direct updates as work on the project
> goes along... We're not exactly high traffic :)
>
> On 2010-05-20, Trevor Wekel <trevor_wekel at otxsystems.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> Yes.  Rohit has been looking into this.  I will ask him to update the RFC
>> with the information he has found so far.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Trevor
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>> [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Jason
>> Birch
>> Sent: May 20, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: MapGuide Internals Mail List
>> Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Berkeley DBXML native libraries on Linux
>>
>> The dbxml download page seems to be fairly tight on what versions it
>> requires, and would need xerces-dev, etc with headers.
>>
>> On 2010-05-20, Tom Fukushima <tom.fukushima at autodesk.com> wrote:
>>> I think that option 3 is the way to go as well.  I'm assuming that users
>>> can
>>> also do things like "yum install xerces" instead of having to build it
>>> from
>>> source; in which case, this seems pretty standard.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>> [mailto:mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> Bray
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:08 AM
>>> To: 'mapguide-internals at lists.osgeo.org'
>>> Subject: Re: [mapguide-internals] Berkeley DBXML native libraries on
>>> Linux
>>>
>>> Trevor,
>>>
>>> I prefer option 3. It's much more inline with the way other open source
>>> projects manage dependences.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
>>> <mapguide-internals-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> To: MapGuide Internals Mail List <mapguide-internals at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> Sent: Thu May 20 06:59:50 2010
>>> Subject: [mapguide-internals] Berkeley DBXML native libraries on Linux
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Rohit has been working on switching to native libraries for Berkeley DB,
>>> Berkeley DBXML, xerces, xalan, and xqilla.  As it turns out, Berkeley DB
>>> is
>>> the only library included in most distributions:
>>>
>>> Berkeley DB - included in most distros
>>> Berkeley DBXML - not included in any distro Xerces - included in Ubuntu
>>> only
>>> Xalan - included in Ubuntu only xquilla - included in Ubuntu only
>>>
>>> Furthermore, Oracle does not release binaries for these libraries on
>>> Linux.
>>> They do package Windows installers though.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think we have a few of options:
>>>
>>> 1. Keep Berkeley DBXML and all dependencies in our vault and upgrade as
>>> required.
>>>
>>> 2. Build and distribute binaries and headers for the various packages.
>>>
>>> 3. Document where to get the required source code and let our user base
>>> build the required components.
>>>
>>>
>>> Options 1. and 2. put the onus on us to maintain the components.  Option
>>> 1
>>> will continue to clog up our source tree and makes it more difficult to
>>> share components with FDO.  Option 3 is a trade off.  It makes it more
>>> difficult to build MapGuide but is more flexible and allows us to share
>>> components with FDO.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?  Other suggestions?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Trevor
>>>
>>>
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