[MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning

[Steve Lime]

Anyone know that deadline?

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 10:05 AM Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't have any additions.
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> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 3:48 AM Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>>
>> It seems many projects have submitted their budget requests for next year
>> to OSGeo - I presume there is an end-of-year deadline to be met?
>>
>> I've added in items from this thread to
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
>> Jeff has discussed the 8.2 release for January, so I've added in the
>> release manager role. I guess the requested amount depends upon if there
>> are also plans for additional patch releases in 2024 and MapCache releases.
>> Once this value is finalised it would be good to take a vote and submit
>> to OSGeo in the next few days. Alternatively we can just go with the 2021
>> value and vote now. If there are any other items to add please edit the
>> page.
>>
>> I'll also look at creating a page of other ideas for MapServer for
>> sponsorship opportunities, similar to the GeoTools one at
>> https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> --
>> web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>> twitter: @geographika
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Even Rouault wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for MapServer is so
>> low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI checks is to test 2 versions of
>> PHP, but I suspect this could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps
>> using https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php). For AddressSanitizer,
>> this would be trivial to port to GHA.
>>
>> (GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic architectures, in
>> particular ARM64, which aren't available on GHA. But GDAL only uses the
>> OSGeo provided budget for that, so that's OK for it)
>>
>> Even
>> Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :
>>
>> It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on Travis, completely
>> switching to GitHub Actions would be another item it would be good to add
>> to the MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote.
>> There were some previous discussions about this in 2020 [1]. Since then
>> GHA seems to have advanced whilst Travis has stagnated. In addition
>> MapCache switched away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses Travis so
>> maybe there are some advantages I'm not aware of.
>> As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer run and PHP builds
>> that Travis includes that aren't already in GHA [2].
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> [1]
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html
>> [2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274
>> [3] https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>> For 2023, some of the funds were used for the Travis subscription for
>> mapserver which is $828/yr (69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest
>> of the year. The PayPal donation would carry over. Project funds do not.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Smith
>>
>> OSGeo Treasurer
>>
>> treasurer at osgeo.org
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>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com> <sdlime at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM
>> *To: *Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>> <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>
>> <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>
>> <sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>
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>> Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s? Problem is that we don't
>> have a project bank account.
>>
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>>
>> There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in March 2022 that looks to
>> have come in via OSGeo via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for
>> MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that email if you'd like.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith <
>> michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Proposed default for FY24 per project is $1000 USD. Yes you can request
>> more than that but there should be a plan for the additional amounts voted
>> by PSC.
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>> Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it was mostly in 2021 and a
>> bit in 2022).
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>>
>> Mike
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>> -
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>> Michael Smith
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>> OSGeo Treasurer
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>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM
>> *To: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Michael Smith <
>> michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <
>> mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>
>>
>>
>>  Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The question becomes how much to
>> allocate in each instance. I guess some basic questions I'd have (and maybe
>> Mike knows) are:
>>
>>    1. What's that standard per project budget allocation from OSGeo? I
>>    thought it was something like $1,500 but I'm not sure.
>>    2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond that? The 2020 budget
>>    referenced earlier in the thread was submitted to the board but it was
>>    pretty clear there was no opportunity to secure funding beyond that base
>>    amount.
>>    3. We have some $'s that have been donated via Paypal. I don't know
>>    the amount but there should be at least $1,000 available and that could be
>>    considered as another means of paying for this work. Again, Mike do you
>>    know what the MapServer balance is via the donate button?
>>    4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate this years' standard budget
>>    allocation to this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd like to know what
>>    our options are. We've not done a good job of taking advantage of the OSGeo
>>    funds available, even if they are somewhat limited.
>>
>> Seth, what level of support do you think you'd need?
>>
>>
>>
>> --Steve
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>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault via MapServer-dev <
>> mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Seth,
>>
>> thanks for putting that together. The 2 topics (workshop and CITE tests)
>> look like excellent topics to be budgeted.
>>
>> Even
>>
>> Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via MapServer-dev a écrit :
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I've created a draft page for the budget at
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
>> >
>> > I've also created two wiki pages for two items I'd like to work on next
>> year, and to request some funds to help set aside time to work on them.
>> Both were discussed with other members of the PSC at the recent OSGeo
>> Community Sprint:
>> >
>> > A new MapServer Workshop, see details at
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024
>> > This would target FOSS4G Europe next year. The deadline for submission
>> is January 14th 2024 so it would be good to sort out a budget as soon as
>> possible to be able to submit. Workshops are 4 hours in length.
>> >
>> > Automating and refreshing the MapServer OGC CITE tests - see
>> https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests
>> >
>> > Let me know your thoughts on the above,
>> >
>> > Seth
>> > --
>> > web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>> > twitter: @geographika
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> A wiki page sounds a good start. Increased test coverage and OGC Maps
>> >> support would be two items I'd like to propose.
>> >> We could also maybe use a GitHub Discussions poll to allow users to
>> >> vote on some open issues to look at fixing?
>> >>
>> >> I think any unused funds for the year remain with OSGeo and can't be
>> >> used for future years. Is it an option to get a 2023 budget approved to
>> >> avoid losing these funds for this year?
>> >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in Vienna next week, and 5 of the PSC
>> >> members will be there so we could arrange a PSC meeting and sign things
>> >> off quite quickly.
>> >>
>> >> Seth
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>> >> twitter: @geographika
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, Lime, Steve D (MNIT) via
>> MapServer-dev wrote:
>> >>> This is a good idea and something that we haven't done in some time.
>> >>> There was a 2020 budget outline
>> >>> (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget) that
>> >>> was put together as an ask from the board. If I recall correctly, they
>> >>> basically only allocated the normal per project amount to the project.
>> >>> That's funding we've not taken explicit advantage of most years
>> >>> although I don't know what happens to those $'s if they go unclaimed.
>> >>> There is also a donation balance that could/should be tapped to fund
>> >>> activities.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Steve
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: MapServer-dev <mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf
>> >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM
>> >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List' <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>> >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users, packagers, promoters, all),
>> >>>
>> >>> I see other projects beginning early discussions on planning for 2024
>> >>> budget spending.  I would like to start a wiki page for the 2024
>> budget
>> >>> for MapServer.  I am planning on including those items
>> >>> never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users such as releases,
>> >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure maintenance, and documentation,
>> as
>> >>> well as source code contributions (in other words, including the full
>> >>> dev community of MapServer in the budget).
>> >>>
>> >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create a realistic budget for
>> MapServer,
>> >>> and then share that publicly with the FOSS4G community.  I think we'd
>> >>> be happily surprised that organizations are willing to support the
>> >>> sustainability of MapServer.  Worst-case scenario is that we have a
>> >>> publicly available realistic view of the cost of keeping MapServer
>> >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we can expand upon in future years.
>> >>>
>> >>> Happy to read other thoughts here, from everyone passionate about
>> MapServer.
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks!
>> >>>
>> >>> -jeff
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Jeff McKenna
>> >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, & offering MapServer Consulting/Dev
>> >>> co-founder of FOSS4G
>> >>>
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