[MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning

Seth G sethg at geographika.co.uk
Fri Jan 5 02:57:15 PST 2024 

Hi all, 

I've updated the budget to include the amount requested in 2021 for release management ($1,500), so we can vote on a final budget and present it to the board. The total amount requested is $4,500. 
It would be good to vote on this in the next few days as the deadline for submitting workshops for FOSS4G Europe in the 14th of January so I'd need to create an outline.
I've a few extra items we can add to a sponsorhip wiki page and maybe circulate on the mapserver-users list to see if we can generate additional development funds. 

I'll start with my +1. 

Seth


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On Fri, Jan 5, 2024, at 12:10 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
> Mid-Late Jan or so. We haven’t scheduled the budget meeting yet.
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> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 5:46 PM
> *To: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>
> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>, MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
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> Anyone know that deadline? 
>  
> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 10:05 AM Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't have any additions.
>>  
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 3:48 AM Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> It seems many projects have submitted their budget requests for next year to OSGeo - I presume there is an end-of-year deadline to be met?
>>>  
>>> I've added in items from this thread to https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
>>> Jeff has discussed the 8.2 release for January, so I've added in the release manager role. I guess the requested amount depends upon if there are also plans for additional patch releases in 2024 and MapCache releases. 
>>> Once this value is finalised it would be good to take a vote and submit to OSGeo in the next few days. Alternatively we can just go with the 2021 value and vote now. If there are any other items to add please edit the page.
>>>  
>>> I'll also look at creating a page of other ideas for MapServer for sponsorship opportunities, similar to the GeoTools one at https://github.com/geotools/geotools/wiki/GeoTools-2024-Sponsorship-Opportunities
>>>  
>>> Seth
>>>  
>>> --
>>> web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>>> twitter: @geographika
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Even Rouault wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree we should cut use of Travis if the budget for MapServer is so low. Yes, the specificity of the Travis CI checks is to test 2 versions of PHP, but I suspect this could be migrated to GHA if needed (e.g perhaps using https://github.com/setup-php/setup-php). For AddressSanitizer, this would be trivial to port to GHA.
>>>> 
>>>> (GDAL only use of Travis CI is to test exotic architectures, in particular ARM64, which aren't available on GHA. But GDAL only uses the OSGeo provided budget for that, so that's OK for it)
>>>> 
>>>> Even
>>>> 
>>>> Le 14/12/2023 à 16:18, Seth G a écrit :
>>>>> It seems a shame to spend over 80% of the budget on Travis, completely switching to GitHub Actions would be another item it would be good to add to the MapServer 2024 plan/budget and PSC vote.
>>>>> There were some previous discussions about this in 2020 [1]. Since then GHA seems to have advanced whilst Travis has stagnated. In addition MapCache switched away from Travis [2]. I see GDAL still uses Travis so maybe there are some advantages I'm not aware of.
>>>>> As far as I can tell it is only the AddressSanitizer run and PHP builds that Travis includes that aren't already in GHA [2].
>>>>>  
>>>>> Seth
>>>>>  
>>>>> [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapserver-dev/2020-November/016302.html
>>>>> [2] https://github.com/MapServer/mapcache/pull/274
>>>>> [3] https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/blob/main/.travis.yml
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 2:59 PM, Michael Smith wrote:
>>>>>> For 2023, some of the funds were used for the Travis subscription for mapserver which is $828/yr (69/mo). So $172 would be available for the rest of the year. The PayPal donation would carry over. Project funds do not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>  
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael Smith
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OSGeo Treasurer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> treasurer at osgeo.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Date: *Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:31 AM
>>>>>> *To: *Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there any chance of accessing the FY23 $'s? Problem is that we don't have a project bank account.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There was also a $1,310 donation via PayPal in March 2022 that looks to have come in via OSGeo via PayPal but was earmarked specifically for MapServer. Mike, I can send you a copy of that email if you'd like.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Steve
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 4:34 PM Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Proposed default for FY24 per project is $1000 USD. Yes you can request more than that but there should be a plan for the additional amounts voted by PSC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Funds from donation are 295.45 (looks like it was mostly in 2021 and a bit in 2022).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Michael Smith
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OSGeo Treasurer
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *From: *Steve Lime <sdlime at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 4:56 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *Even Rouault <even.rouault at spatialys.com>, Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *Seth G <sethg at geographika.co.uk>, MapServer Devs <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Great ideas, I'd support both of them. The question becomes how much to allocate in each instance. I guess some basic questions I'd have (and maybe Mike knows) are: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  1. What's that standard per project budget allocation from OSGeo? I thought it was something like $1,500 but I'm not sure.
>>>>>>>  2. Is there any chance of getting $'s beyond that? The 2020 budget referenced earlier in the thread was submitted to the board but it was pretty clear there was no opportunity to secure funding beyond that base amount.
>>>>>>>  3. We have some $'s that have been donated via Paypal. I don't know the amount but there should be at least $1,000 available and that could be considered as another means of paying for this work. Again, Mike do you know what the MapServer balance is via the donate button?
>>>>>>>  4. We are still in 2023 - can we allocate this years' standard budget allocation to this work or otherwise roll it over? I'd like to know what our options are. We've not done a good job of taking advantage of the OSGeo funds available, even if they are somewhat limited.
>>>>>>> Seth, what level of support do you think you'd need?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --Steve
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 5:48 PM Even Rouault via MapServer-dev <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Seth,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> thanks for putting that together. The 2 topics (workshop and CITE tests)
>>>>>>>> look like excellent topics to be budgeted.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Le 07/12/2023 à 11:02, Seth G via MapServer-dev a écrit :
>>>>>>>> > Hi all,
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > I've created a draft page for the budget at https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-2024-Budget
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > I've also created two wiki pages for two items I'd like to work on next year, and to request some funds to help set aside time to work on them. Both were discussed with other members of the PSC at the recent OSGeo Community Sprint:
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > A new MapServer Workshop, see details at https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-Workshop-2024
>>>>>>>> > This would target FOSS4G Europe next year. The deadline for submission is January 14th 2024 so it would be good to sort out a budget as soon as possible to be able to submit. Workshops are 4 hours in length.
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > Automating and refreshing the MapServer OGC CITE tests - see https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/MapServer-OGC-CITE-Tests
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > Let me know your thoughts on the above,
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > Seth
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>>>>>>>> > twitter: @geographika
>>>>>>>> > 
>>>>>>>> > On Thu, Nov 2, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Seth G wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> A wiki page sounds a good start. Increased test coverage and OGC Maps
>>>>>>>> >> support would be two items I'd like to propose.
>>>>>>>> >> We could also maybe use a GitHub Discussions poll to allow users to
>>>>>>>> >> vote on some open issues to look at fixing?
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> I think any unused funds for the year remain with OSGeo and can't be
>>>>>>>> >> used for future years. Is it an option to get a 2023 budget approved to
>>>>>>>> >> avoid losing these funds for this year?
>>>>>>>> >> There is the OSGeo Codesprint in Vienna next week, and 5 of the PSC
>>>>>>>> >> members will be there so we could arrange a PSC meeting and sign things
>>>>>>>> >> off quite quickly.
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> Seth
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>>> >> web:https://geographika.net & https://mapserverstudio.net
>>>>>>>> >> twitter: @geographika
>>>>>>>> >> 
>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 10:44 PM, Lime, Steve D (MNIT) via MapServer-dev wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>> This is a good idea and something that we haven't done in some time.
>>>>>>>> >>> There was a 2020 budget outline
>>>>>>>> >>> (https://github.com/MapServer/MapServer/wiki/OSGeo-2020-Budget) that
>>>>>>>> >>> was put together as an ask from the board. If I recall correctly, they
>>>>>>>> >>> basically only allocated the normal per project amount to the project.
>>>>>>>> >>> That's funding we've not taken explicit advantage of most years
>>>>>>>> >>> although I don't know what happens to those $'s if they go unclaimed.
>>>>>>>> >>> There is also a donation balance that could/should be tapped to fund
>>>>>>>> >>> activities.
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> --Steve
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> >>> From: MapServer-dev <mapserver-dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> On Behalf
>>>>>>>> >>> Of Jeff McKenna via MapServer-dev
>>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:00 PM
>>>>>>>> >>> To: 'MapServer Dev Mailing List' <mapserver-dev at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [MapServer-dev] 2024 budget planning
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> Hi MapServer community (devs, users, packagers, promoters, all),
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> I see other projects beginning early discussions on planning for 2024
>>>>>>>> >>> budget spending.  I would like to start a wiki page for the 2024 budget
>>>>>>>> >>> for MapServer.  I am planning on including those items
>>>>>>>> >>> never-funded-yet-heavily-relied-upon-by-users such as releases,
>>>>>>>> >>> packaging, testing/CI infrastructure maintenance, and documentation, as
>>>>>>>> >>> well as source code contributions (in other words, including the full
>>>>>>>> >>> dev community of MapServer in the budget).
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> I think 2024 is a good time to create a realistic budget for MapServer,
>>>>>>>> >>> and then share that publicly with the FOSS4G community.  I think we'd
>>>>>>>> >>> be happily surprised that organizations are willing to support the
>>>>>>>> >>> sustainability of MapServer.  Worst-case scenario is that we have a
>>>>>>>> >>> publicly available realistic view of the cost of keeping MapServer
>>>>>>>> >>> reliable, secure, and fast, that we can expand upon in future years.
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> Happy to read other thoughts here, from everyone passionate about MapServer.
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> thanks!
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> -jeff
>>>>>>>> >>> 
>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>> >>> Jeff McKenna
>>>>>>>> >>> GatewayGeo: Developers of MS4W, & offering MapServer Consulting/Dev
>>>>>>>> >>> co-founder of FOSS4G
>>>>>>>> >>> 
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