[mapserver-users] mapserver-users Digest, Vol 54, Issue 5
Wang, Ya
Ya.Wang at vta.org
Wed Jul 4 10:37:54 PDT 2012
Flavio,
Thank you very much for sharing. Just like Mike's, your information is also very helpful. I really appreciate it. Follow your link, I see a rich inventory of web services offered by ESRI, which are available through ARCGIS Server API interface. If I understand it correctly, I need to have ARC GIS Server in order to use those web services in my web application or in my smart phone application developed with SDK. Do let me know if I am wrong. The use of Map Service Layers created with MapServer on the other hand doesn't require any expensive software. However, there is no big player like ESRI to compile a list of MapServer map service layers out there in the world. This leads to my other question. I know I can load MapServer map service layers into all kinds of desktop clients such as UDig, QGIS, etc. How about service layers created by ARCGIS Server? Can I do the same thing?
Regard,
Ya
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1. One template for every text type (Andrea Peri)
2. MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Wang, Ya)
3. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH)
4. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Wang, Ya)
5. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Mr. Puneet Kishor)
6. World file creation (Jeff Lake)
7. Re: MapServer vs ArcGIS server (Flavio Hendry)
8. Re: wms_accessconstraints (Stephan Mei?l)
9. Re: Mapserver docs and i18n (Yves Jacolin)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:42:24 +0200
From: Andrea Peri <aperi2007 at gmail.com>
To: mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: [mapserver-users] One template for every text type
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Hi,
As report from documentation, MapServer will allow to define a template to
set the return from an identify.
I need to define almost two distinct kind of returns:
One for user (text/plain or text/html) and one for business application
(text/xml).
So I like to define not only a template for return an XML but also a
template for return an html page.
I don't know how to say to MapServer what template us for text/html and
what for text/xml.
Is this possibile ?
Thx.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 23:50:56 +0000
From: "Wang, Ya" <Ya.Wang at vta.org>
To: "mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org"
<mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server
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Hello All,
I am wondering if any of you have experience with both MapServer and ArcGIS server. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server? Besides the fact that MapServer is more customizable and more extensible and less expensive, what other advantages do MapServer have against ArcGIS server?
Thanks in advance!
Ya
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:25:27 +0000
From: "Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH" <Michael.Smith at erdc.dren.mil>
To: "Wang, Ya" <Ya.Wang at vta.org>, "mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org"
<mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server
Message-ID: <CC19108A.2E23A%michael.smith at erdc.dren.mil>
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Ya,
MapServer is cgi (or fastcgi). So it doesn't hold data in memory like
ArcGIS Server does. Also, each MapServer session (since its cgi) is
independent of each other so there is no service to go down. As long as
Apache is running, so is MapServer.
I find that MapServer scales much better for large numbers of request and
multiple maps. ArcGIS Server does well with smaller data sets and less
services (due to ram issues). ArcGIS server can be faster to start with,
since you are composing your maps graphically, but I find the MapServer
mapfile editing much (much) faster for repetitive operations. I can script
and copy/paste and (with includes) reuse more styling. With ArcGIS Server,
for anything other that setting basic colors, I find it much slower and
quite tedious.
I find that MapServer works at small or large scale, I run into issues
with ArcGIS server at large scales (lots of data and lots of services).
Then there is the fact that ArcGIS will change on you over time and the
whole architecture can go away and any time. In the time we have been
doing MapServer (coming up on 12 years now), ESRI has gone through 6
different (and incompatible) web mapping engines. Our mapserver stuff
still works. Something to think about when you are in it for the long haul.
Also, when something critical has come up and I need a fix NOW, I have
both made my own code changes and requested fixes from the community and
had responses within hours (sometimes minutes). That is just not possible
with ArcGIS Server. MapServer has a truly impressive community with both
enthusiasts and mature business providing development and support
(MapGears and Gateway Geomatics are two that I am very familiar with and
they are top notch).
We are a government agency and MapServer is production code for us, for
over a decade. And we serve out a lot of data with it.
Mike
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Michael Smith
US Army Corps
Remote Sensing GIS/Center
On 7/3/12 8:50 PM, "Wang, Ya" <Ya.Wang at vta.org> wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I am wondering if any of you have experience with both MapServer and
>ArcGIS server. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server? Besides the
>fact that MapServer is more customizable and more extensible and less
>expensive, what other advantages do MapServer have against ArcGIS server?
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Ya
>
>
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>mapserver-users mailing list
>mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 00:33:30 +0000
From: "Wang, Ya" <Ya.Wang at vta.org>
To: "'Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH'"
<Michael.Smith at erdc.dren.mil>, "mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org"
<mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server
Message-ID: <CD4BEECCEBBAA545974D52EB0A5B6EF128223CCD at ROMAIL4.vta.org>
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Mike:
Thank you very much for the sharing. It is really great information. I have another question now. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server in terms of providing API or service layers to support the enthusiasm of the online development community?
Regards,
Ya
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From: Smith, Michael ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH [mailto:Michael.Smith at erdc.dren.mil]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 5:26 PM
To: Wang, Ya; mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server
Ya,
MapServer is cgi (or fastcgi). So it doesn't hold data in memory like
ArcGIS Server does. Also, each MapServer session (since its cgi) is
independent of each other so there is no service to go down. As long as
Apache is running, so is MapServer.
I find that MapServer scales much better for large numbers of request and
multiple maps. ArcGIS Server does well with smaller data sets and less
services (due to ram issues). ArcGIS server can be faster to start with,
since you are composing your maps graphically, but I find the MapServer
mapfile editing much (much) faster for repetitive operations. I can script
and copy/paste and (with includes) reuse more styling. With ArcGIS Server,
for anything other that setting basic colors, I find it much slower and
quite tedious.
I find that MapServer works at small or large scale, I run into issues
with ArcGIS server at large scales (lots of data and lots of services).
Then there is the fact that ArcGIS will change on you over time and the
whole architecture can go away and any time. In the time we have been
doing MapServer (coming up on 12 years now), ESRI has gone through 6
different (and incompatible) web mapping engines. Our mapserver stuff
still works. Something to think about when you are in it for the long haul.
Also, when something critical has come up and I need a fix NOW, I have
both made my own code changes and requested fixes from the community and
had responses within hours (sometimes minutes). That is just not possible
with ArcGIS Server. MapServer has a truly impressive community with both
enthusiasts and mature business providing development and support
(MapGears and Gateway Geomatics are two that I am very familiar with and
they are top notch).
We are a government agency and MapServer is production code for us, for
over a decade. And we serve out a lot of data with it.
Mike
--
Michael Smith
US Army Corps
Remote Sensing GIS/Center
On 7/3/12 8:50 PM, "Wang, Ya" <Ya.Wang at vta.org> wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>I am wondering if any of you have experience with both MapServer and
>ArcGIS server. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server? Besides the
>fact that MapServer is more customizable and more extensible and less
>expensive, what other advantages do MapServer have against ArcGIS server?
>
>
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Ya
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>mapserver-users mailing list
>mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org
>http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/mapserver-users
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 06:15:20 +0530
From: "Mr. Puneet Kishor" <punk.kish at gmail.com>
To: mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 6:03 AM, Wang, Ya wrote:
> Mike:
> Thank you very much for the sharing. It is really great information. I have another question now. How does MapServer compare with ArcGIS server in terms of providing API or service layers to support the enthusiasm of the online development community?
> ..
Why don't you summarize for us how and what ArcGIS Server provides in terms of "API or service layers" and how it supports the enthusiasm of its online development community? That knowledge would benefit several of us, I believe.
Also, try asking the same question on the ArcGIS Server email list, if there is one, and then summarize the responses you get there. I would be very curious to read those.
Finally, wrt MapServer's programming hooks and APIs, have you visited the docs at http://mapserver.org? Lots of great, entirely community developed information there. Remember, no one owns MapServer -- you and I and others and everyone owns it.
--
Puneet Kishor
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:27:57 -0400
From: Jeff Lake <admin at michiganwxsystem.com>
To: MapServer <mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: [mapserver-users] World file creation
Message-ID: <4FF3AA2D.2020107 at michiganwxsystem.com>
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Maybe I'm not searching on the correct terms.
But what is the magic formula for creating world files ??
I have a map of the US with the following projection info
ullat=53.3638
ullon=-130.964
lrlat=18.2977
lrlon=-69.1058
sp1=0
sp2=39
cm=-95.5
rlat=36.5
width=640
height=480
projection=lambert
now how on earth do you figure the meter per pixel??
prefer php, but guess I could convert
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-Jeff Lake
MichiganWxSystem.com
WeatherMichigan.net
TheWeatherCenter.net
GRLevelXStuff.com
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 07:13:29 +0200
From: Flavio Hendry <flavio at tydac.ch>
To: "Wang, Ya" <Ya.Wang at vta.org>
Cc: "mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org"
<mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org>, "'Smith, Michael
ERDC-RDE-CRREL-NH'" <Michael.Smith at erdc.dren.mil>
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] MapServer vs ArcGIS server
Message-ID: <4FF3D0F9.4030105 at tydac.ch>
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Hello Ya
I agree on everything Mike said. On the API question I must say that
ESRI (finally) has done a great job. All kind of APIs are available free
of charge and make it really easy to develop apps, see:
http://resources.arcgis.com/content/arcgisserver/web-apis
Here an app we created with the JS API (City of Bern):
http://map.bern.ch/stadtplan/index_en.htm
In addition they have SDKs for creating apps for iOS, Android and
Windows Phone ... The city of Zurich has done a pretty good iPhone App,
even with routing for bike and pedestrians ... look for zuriplan (only
in German I think) ...
Mit freundlichem Gruss / Best regards
Flavio Hendry
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:45:39 +0200
From: Stephan Mei?l <stephan at meissl.name>
To: Bjarne Fagerbakke <bjarne.fagerbakke at pbe.oslo.kommune.no>
Cc: mapserver-users <mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org>,
"'stefan.leopold at reflex.at'" <stefan.leopold at reflex.at>
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] wms_accessconstraints
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On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 10:19 +0200, Bjarne Fagerbakke wrote:
> ?
> Hi,
>
> I am reading in the mapserver
> documentation http://mapserver.org/development/rfc/ms-rfc-75.html that
> mapserver 6.2 supports accessconstraints as described below.
>
> "wms_accessconstraints" "None" #value according ISO 19115
> (MD_RestrictionCode codelist) or default "None"
>
> Do you have an example showing how to implement use of a codelist?
>
> Best regards,
>
> City of Oslo,
> Agency for Planning and Building Services
>
> Bjarne Fagerbakke
Hi Bjarne,
please copy the mapserver-users mailing list so that everybody can
benefit from the discussion.
Regarding your question, the comment is meant to explain that you have
to provide the value for the parameter by yourself. You might want to
look up a particular value in the codelist established in ISO 19115 as
those are the values mandated by INSPIRE AFAIK.
HTH,
Stephan
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 05:44:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Yves Jacolin <yjacolin at free.fr>
To: mapserver-users at lists.osgeo.org
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] Mapserver docs and i18n
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Hello,
Thanks Thomas it is interesting to get I18n directly inside Sphinx. I know
that other project are going to use it also, as QGIS. Interesting because
QGIS project will use Pootle with GitHub [1]. Contributor can work on the
translation either via Pottl, text file or Ktranslator (or any application
working on translation file).
The drawbacks is that it needs works from translator to move their
translation to the new system. It is better to choose quickly wich way we
choose because I have some file in my file (almost all mapfile section has
been translated).
I have no opinion at this moment because I can help translating MapServer
doc directly via GitHub but it seems that some people are enjoying working
with Pootle as it really simplifies the process. I will probably use the
QGIS pootle infrastructure also.
@Thomas: I am using diff file for GDAL translation and it is quiet easy to
see what have been changed.
Thanks anyway,
Y.
[1] http://translate.qgis.org/
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