[Marketing] Thanks for your feedback on Website RFI

[Jody Garnett]

I think we can provide a user focused experience ... and let projects
compete for the user-base that currently resides with ESRI. At this point
in the market balance any move towards open source is a good direction.
OSGeo can provide a platform for projects to communicate, and we can even
provide resources to help them reach new users - it will still be up to
each project to produce a compelling product.

It seems comments on the document are settling down, I reworded the
projects / community projects / incubation section and could use some
feedback.
--
Jody Garnett

On 7 January 2017 at 17:10, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> <bringing this conversation back on list>
>
> RFI here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1UJPiiVSV5U2CBaVFFjiHQ4qn1Vf5DOgEb83IFCxVQkw/edit#
>
> Jeff,
>
> I agree with the goal of making OSGeo easy to navigate by guiding users to
> the best project.
>
> The political challenge of this is one OSGeo project gets preferential
> access to users and sponsors. Do we recommend GeoServer or MapServer? QGis
> or gvSIG? Each is competing for the same user-base.
>
> As Jody has mentioned, we've pushed to get a 5 star rating in place to
> rank project maturity and help find projects. (This was shot down,
> particularly by projects with low ranking).
>
> We have been able to reference OpenHub metrics, which provides some
> guidance, but is still far from perfect. It should be at
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html but when I check just now, it
> appears the factoids are not being pulled down from OpenHub.
>
>
>
> On 8/01/2017 9:02 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
> The trick is to do this feedback while not discouraging the volunteers on
> OSGeo live. Reading the above discussion it seems to be the difference
> between a warehouse and a store.
>
> It is easier to do a warehouse as there is no value judgement on the items
> stocked. Cameron has tried several times to guide OSGeo live towards the
> store experience (with ratings and metrics and asking for docs and
> guidance) - each time he moves the dial - but at some political cost.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM Jeffrey Johnson <ortelius at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Also, after reading your most recent comments, I want to raise one
>> overarching point. The way you describe things of just providing big
>> lists and linking people off to completely foreign sites and
>> experiences is horrible user experience and its the exact reason why
>> OSGeo is simply incomprehensible to the vast majority of our potential
>> users. Again, I say this after trying to explain OSGeo and its
>> initiatives to audiences all over the world. We can and should strive
>> to have a *consistent* set of content that guides users to the project
>> that is appropriate for them holding their hand as much of the way
>> there as we can. Just dumping them onto some random trac or wiki page
>> may work for some, but it confuses the hell out of everyone else. See
>> qgis.og downloads page and remember how it used to be before to
>> understand what I mean.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Johnson <ortelius at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Cameron Shorter
>> > <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Jeff,
>> >>
>> >> No problem. I'm done reviewing.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >> Key message from me is:
>> >>
>> >> * Keep it simple and maintainable.
>> >>
>> >> * Try to avoid duplicating content. In particular, we should align
>> >> OSGeo-Live content with website content, as OSGeo-Live is already
>> achieving
>> >> some of the key goals of the website.
>> >
>> > I really strongly disagree that OSGeo-Live is achieving much of
>> > anything. I've seen group after group of people completely confused as
>> > to what to do when OSGeo is booted up and have no idea which software
>> > to use for what or why there are so many softwares that all seem to do
>> > the same thing. Its incredibly confusing to them (as is OSGeo in
>> > general). We tend to keep thinking of things as developers when we
>> > really do need to take a much more user (and particularly users who
>> > have the authority to decide what software their organization uses)
>> > focused approach. In any case, I _do_ agree that we should align
>> > OSGeo-Live and the website to the point of including alot of the
>> > website on the ISO, but this big index page
>> > https://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html isnt really doing the
>> > job at all IMO. See my comments in the doc about using somekind of
>> > structured info about the projects that can be reused in many places
>> > (including the info sheets).
>> >
>> > Thanks again for providing feedback. I hope others take as much care
>> > to make sure that we have a good basis for having a successful
>> > project.
>> >
>> >> Feel free to share this email.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 8/01/2017 6:42 AM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Glad someone is really reading this besides me and Jody :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Cameron Shorter
>> >> M +61 419 142 254 <+61%20419%20142%20254>
>> >>
>>
>
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> Cameron Shorter
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