[Marketing] Thanks for your feedback on Website RFI
Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
Mon Jan 9 07:34:35 PST 2017
I hardly ever ready all the specification of something I’m comparing with other stuff, at least until just before I start to use it. The general Idea was trying to convey was to present a similar expereince for all OSGeo Projects to the users, so if they need the info it’s there and they know where to look for it quickly, as well as compare them side by side.
I thought I left top level topics general enough so more sub-topics could be included in the listing by everyone else. I didn’t even have a preference on the ordering, but while there may not be many techies trying stuff out the first time, they are going to be involved in implementation at some point.
On Jan 8, 2017, at 1:50 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com<mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>> wrote:
I think we can provide a user focused experience ... and let projects compete for the user-base that currently resides with ESRI. At this point in the market balance any move towards open source is a good direction. OSGeo can provide a platform for projects to communicate, and we can even provide resources to help them reach new users - it will still be up to each project to produce a compelling product.
It seems comments on the document are settling down, I reworded the projects / community projects / incubation section and could use some feedback.
On 7 January 2017 at 17:10, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
<bringing this conversation back on list>
RFI here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UJPiiVSV5U2CBaVFFjiHQ4qn1Vf5DOgEb83IFCxVQkw/edit#
I agree with the goal of making OSGeo easy to navigate by guiding users to the best project.
The political challenge of this is one OSGeo project gets preferential access to users and sponsors. Do we recommend GeoServer or MapServer? QGis or gvSIG? Each is competing for the same user-base.
As Jody has mentioned, we've pushed to get a 5 star rating in place to rank project maturity and help find projects. (This was shot down, particularly by projects with low ranking).
We have been able to reference OpenHub metrics, which provides some guidance, but is still far from perfect. It should be at https://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html but when I check just now, it appears the factoids are not being pulled down from OpenHub.
On 8/01/2017 9:02 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
The trick is to do this feedback while not discouraging the volunteers on OSGeo live. Reading the above discussion it seems to be the difference between a warehouse and a store.
It is easier to do a warehouse as there is no value judgement on the items stocked. Cameron has tried several times to guide OSGeo live towards the store experience (with ratings and metrics and asking for docs and guidance) - each time he moves the dial - but at some political cost.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM Jeffrey Johnson <ortelius at gmail.com<mailto:ortelius at gmail.com>> wrote:
Also, after reading your most recent comments, I want to raise one
overarching point. The way you describe things of just providing big
lists and linking people off to completely foreign sites and
experiences is horrible user experience and its the exact reason why
OSGeo is simply incomprehensible to the vast majority of our potential
users. Again, I say this after trying to explain OSGeo and its
initiatives to audiences all over the world. We can and should strive
to have a *consistent* set of content that guides users to the project
that is appropriate for them holding their hand as much of the way
there as we can. Just dumping them onto some random trac or wiki page
may work for some, but it confuses the hell out of everyone else. See
qgis.og downloads page and remember how it used to be before to
understand what I mean.
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Jeffrey Johnson <ortelius at gmail.com<mailto:ortelius at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Cameron Shorter
> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com<mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Jeff,
>> No problem. I'm done reviewing.
>> Key message from me is:
>> * Keep it simple and maintainable.
>> * Try to avoid duplicating content. In particular, we should align
>> OSGeo-Live content with website content, as OSGeo-Live is already achieving
>> some of the key goals of the website.
> I really strongly disagree that OSGeo-Live is achieving much of
> anything. I've seen group after group of people completely confused as
> to what to do when OSGeo is booted up and have no idea which software
> to use for what or why there are so many softwares that all seem to do
> the same thing. Its incredibly confusing to them (as is OSGeo in
> general). We tend to keep thinking of things as developers when we
> really do need to take a much more user (and particularly users who
> have the authority to decide what software their organization uses)
> focused approach. In any case, I _do_ agree that we should align
> OSGeo-Live and the website to the point of including alot of the
> website on the ISO, but this big index page
> https://live.osgeo.org/en/overview/overview.html isnt really doing the
> job at all IMO. See my comments in the doc about using somekind of
> structured info about the projects that can be reused in many places
> (including the info sheets).
> Thanks again for providing feedback. I hope others take as much care
> to make sure that we have a good basis for having a successful
>> Feel free to share this email.
>> On 8/01/2017 6:42 AM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:
>>> Glad someone is really reading this besides me and Jody :)
>> Cameron Shorter
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