[Oceania-Board] Open Governance panel @ SotM / FOSS4G Oceania (WAS: Edoardo contact)

Fri Jul 21 13:19:32 PDT 2023

Hi Ed,

Apologies for delayed response. This looks great!

I just would like to flesh out / get some clarity what is the higher level
objectives on why talk about formality vs organic - is it for building
communities / sustaining communities and the OSM project? is it looking at
what works for communities given their local context?

Paid position vs volunteering in OSM is a very debated topic. Jennings and
other researchers have published diaries about paid mapping etc, but we
rarely hear about the communities who are affected (e.g. with paid
positions). Something to think about :)

lovely weekends,

On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 8:05 PM Edoardo Neerhut <eneerhut at gmail.com> wrote:

> We're still fleshing out the details of the panel, but these are the
> questions I have so far:
>
>    1. Do local OSM chapters benefit from governance? If so, how? If not,
>    why not?  What are the challenges / limitations / reservations in
>    building or formalizing governance in open communities?
>    2. What lessons can the OSM community draw from other open source
>    communities including OSM US, the Wikipedia Foundation, and the Linux
>    Foundation?
>    3. OpenStreetMap’s tagging schema has been wonderful for data
>    diversity and ease of contribution, but it makes data consumption more
>    challenging. Do you agree and what solutions do you think would address
>    this?
>
> I was thinking the theme would be something along the lines of formality
> vs organic. When does OSM benefit from standardization and authority and
> when does it benefit from grassroots, bottoms up systems.
>
> I'd love to hear any other questions you have in mind.
>
> Thanks Arnalie and hopefully you can make it!
>
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 14:05, Arnalie Vicario <
> arnalie.vicario at osmfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Thanks for the response, Ed! I figured you were busy in FOSS4G last week
>> so no worries!
>>
>> Appreciate your ideas! Can you let me know more about the OSM panel
>> planned? What specific topic? If the governance theme can be touched/add as
>> questions that would be great! Otherwise, yes can do a BoF too, although I
>> am not sure if I can attend in person. But again, happy to support in
>> co-designing if needed.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2023, at 14:52, Edoardo Neerhut <eneerhut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Arnalie,
>>
>> Thanks for reaching out and sorry for the late reply. FOSS4G was
>> occupying my time last week.
>>
>> We already have an OSM panel planned for the event and I think it would
>> make sense to incorporate some of your questions into the discussion. We
>> could also organize a birds of a feather to create a space where everyone
>> can participate in the discussion. I'm happy to take this on given I
>> already have my hand up for the OSM panel.
>>
>> One topic that relates to governance is the idea of paid positions. OSM
>> US has done this incredibly successfully and their productivity since
>> taking on paid staff is worth reviewing. This helps to address the ebb and
>> flow of volunteer communities that can make it hard to sustain and build on
>> momentum.
>>
>> All this to say, I support the conversation and would love to incorporate
>> it into the conference.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 at 11:19, Arnalie Vicario <arnalie.vicario at hotosm.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (wearing both my OSMF board and HOT hat)
>>>
>>> Thanks, Carrol!
>>>
>>> Hi Ed (cc OSGeo Oceania board list)!
>>> Carrol let me know that you are part of the OSGEO Oceania board.
>>>
>>> I have a topic / panel discussion pitch about the Open Governance topic.
>>>
>>> and this proposal is something we'd like to propose at regional SotM's
>>> this year (already proposed at SotM Africa, and waiting to propose for SotM
>>> Asia).
>>>
>>> working doc is here:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LKtw8T5sF5s21pk6DL1bJtflQKNFKBcAph0_cKzId_w/edit
>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LKtw8T5sF5s21pk6DL1bJtflQKNFKBcAph0_cKzId_w/edit&source=gmail-imap&ust=1689281567000000&usg=AOvVaw3tCBVEBFAEgD88tuTZtPhp>
>>>
>>> In a nutshell, governance in open communities is not widely discussed in
>>> OSM and communities but could play a potential role in the direction and
>>> sustainability of communities.
>>>
>>> Some key points of discussion:
>>>
>>>    - What does it mean to open mapping communities?
>>>    - How does it affect direction and sustainability, success and
>>>    failures of the community?
>>>    - What are the challenges / limitations / reservations in building
>>>    or formalizing governance in open communities?
>>>    - Potential to get clearer idea on what is expected in governance
>>>    for OSMF local chapters
>>>
>>> *Question / help from you: Do you think this is worth discussing with
>>> the Oceania community? Will having a session on this benefit the Oceania
>>> community?*
>>>
>>> I realize this is quite short notice and the call for proposal ends June
>>> 30, so hopefully you get this email in time. Happy FOSS4G!
>>>
>>>
>>> warm regards,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 7:34 AM Carrol Chan <carrol.mchan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Arnalie,
>>>>
>>>> Just putting you in touch with Edoardo via the email I have on hand.
>>>> Talk soon!
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ed, just cc-ing you into contact with Arnalie.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Carrol
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>

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