[Oceania-Board] 2024-2025 budget
John Bryant
johnwbryant at gmail.com
Sun Jun 2 19:54:27 PDT 2024
Thanks Alex, that sounds good, should we use $30k as the projected surplus
in our budget?
Yes that makes sense re: FOSS4G 2025 (though I thought maybe the PCO was
handling all the funds until acquittal). If we get the green light, I
suppose we should estimate how much $ we will handle in FY 2024-25.
Cheers
John
On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 at 10:41, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi John
>
> Regarding Hobart, we have a handful of registrations and one sponsorship
> already, and we have over a dozen submissions to talk, with over a month to
> go. I've reviewed the budget and started capturing actuals, and everything
> is still aligned to the approved budget in terms of expenses. In short, I'm
> optimistic we'll achieve a surplus of at least $30 k.
>
> Also, keep in mind that if we do hold the 2025 global event in Auckland,
> we'll likely start receiving revenue next FY.
>
> Cheers,
>
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 at 12:27, John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, we need to sort out our budget ASAP so that we can have clarity
>> on spending for the next financial year (which begins on 1 July). We've
>> said a few times we need to give clarity on TGP in particular. I think we
>> should try to wrap it up at our board meeting this Friday, if possible.
>>
>> I've updated this draft budget sheet
>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=1487652216> with
>> as much current info & projections as I can. *I've currently got 3
>> scenarios but I think our budget should settle on one*, and perhaps do a
>> budget review once we get a better idea of Hobart revenue.
>>
>> A few notes/questions:
>>
>> - Current FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2024 amounts are based on the approved
>> conf budget, minus GST and amounts paid/received in FY 2023-24. @Alex
>> Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> are there any updates to these projected
>> amounts? Do we have a sense yet of which scenario is most likely, or is it
>> too early to say? I think this is our biggest variable.
>> - Community investments: we need to decide on our approach. Do we
>> take a conservative approach and increase this amount as we gain confidence
>> in a Hobart surplus, or do we "go big" and hope for the best?
>> - Our operational expenses are relatively fixed, but we could find
>> ways to save here, if we put some effort in.
>> -
>> - We could get a bit more interest income by using a term deposit, if
>> we know how much we can lock away and for how long.
>>
>> Also, a fairly big one... there's still the question of FOSS4G
>> 2025 Auckland, and what impact that would have on our budget. Right now
>> it's in there as an expense, with no revenue, I'm not sure if this is
>> right. We should be finding out any day now whether this is happening, so
>> maybe we stand by until we know?
>>
>> The bottom line is distinctly in the red but the FOSS4G 2025 amount is
>> effectively a loan that will be repaid in future, without this amount we're
>> at a surplus (assuming Hobart projections are reasonable).
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 at 17:53, Dorothy D.Pion <ddpion at mra.gov.pg> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you all.
>>>
>>> It's unfortunate that we won't be receiving funding from TGP this year.
>>> We'll need to cover expenses ourselves for now. Considering this, we may
>>> need to reassess our budget and possibly reduce the number of TGP grants we
>>> can offer this year?
>>>
>>> Eli, Let me know your thoughts on this.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Dorothy
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* Oceania-Board <oceania-board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> on behalf
>>> of Alex Leith via Oceania-Board <oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 4, 2024 9:01 AM
>>> *To:* John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* OSGeo Oceania Board <oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Oceania-Board] 2024-2025 budget
>>>
>>> HEre's what Angelos said:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the TGP budget is out for this year :(
>>> The financial year starts Jan 1st.
>>>
>>>
>>> Amending the budget is a possibility if we get funding during the year.
>>>
>>> So, I guess we won't get cash from them this time, unfortunately.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 13:04, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, ok. I guess we'll need to cover it ourselves then... will need to
>>> re-assess.
>>>
>>> I'll let you all know if I hear anything different from Angelos.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 08:01, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% sure but I think it's Apr-Mar.
>>>
>>> This was approved in February
>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2024-02-06#OSGeo_Budget_2024> (amounts
>>> in USD):
>>>
>>> - Travel Grant Program: 10k $ to be approved. The direction is to
>>> use 7k for global FOSS4G and 3k for local events.
>>>
>>> So our request was for their entire local event TGP budget, probably
>>> we're asking for far too much.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 05:54, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is their financial year?
>>>
>>> I'll ask Angelos if we can request again for the next FY.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 07:18, eli via Oceania-Board <
>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> oh that's not nice. I suppose the lesson is learned, we need to apply
>>> for the TGP as soon as OSGeo plan their budget next time.
>>>
>>> Il giorno gio 2 mag 2024 alle ore 09:15 John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hi all, FYI:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately our request for TGP funding from OSGeo was not approved,
>>> see meeting minutes
>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2024-04-30#FOSS4G_SotM_Oceania_TGP_Request>.
>>> The OSGeo TGP budget has already been spent for this year.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 10:16, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it's a good idea to model a pessimistic scenario, but the $4k
>>> surplus isn't that pessimistic - it's based on a conference surplus that's
>>> more than double Auckland's surplus.
>>>
>>> A moderately pessimistic scenario would have to contain the possibility
>>> the 2024 conference surplus is similar to 2023, ie ~13k. I'm optimistic
>>> too, but given that Auckland is a much bigger market than Hobart, and cost
>>> of living pressures are making people very cautious about discretionary
>>> spending, I think we have to consider it within the realm of possibility.
>>>
>>> I've done a moderately pessimistic "scenario 2" in the simplified sheet
>>> that includes this contingency. It puts the TGP at $15k, reduces other
>>> community investment (grants, sponsorship, WGs) by $5k, and it puts us at a
>>> loss of ~$12k. Hopefully very unlikely, but at this stage we just don't
>>> know - our most recent experience indicates that it's possible.
>>>
>>> I don't think we're in a financial position right now to allocate more
>>> than we've ever spent on TGP, at a point when we're at maximum uncertainty
>>> about conference income. Our past experience has shown us we can approach
>>> it progressively - allocate a modest amount now, and increase it when we
>>> become more confident we have the surplus to support it.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm saying is that I think we should start small, and grow
>>> it when we hit sponsorship and registration targets, otherwise we run the
>>> risk we 1) make a large loss again next year and/or 2) have to cut
>>> other community investments.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 07:24, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> I think targeting a $4 k surplus is ok in the pessimistic scenario.
>>>
>>> I really hope that we can deliver something like a $60 k surplus from
>>> the conference, like we did in Melbourne and Wellington. I'm always fairly
>>> optimistic, but I have had a lot of people say that they're excited to come
>>> to Hobart, and we can handle a pretty big crowd... so maybe we'll exceed
>>> expectations.
>>>
>>> I'm ok with starting the budget with a modest TGP allocation of $15 k
>>> including the OSGeo cash and increasing if we can.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 19:32, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Elisa, that's really helpful input. I had a rough idea of what
>>> had happened, but I didn't know we hadn't actually planned to do PGRSC as
>>> part of the program. So this year, should we proactively include other
>>> events in our TGP budget?
>>>
>>> Let me ask everyone... what if we zoom out for a moment, simplify, and
>>> think of the budget as having 3 major components:
>>>
>>> - *Conference surplus*: Virtually all of our income is derived from
>>> this one source, and needs to pay for everything else, so this is crucial;
>>> but it's handled in detail by another budget - we can provide oversight
>>> using that budget.
>>> - *Operational expenses*: These are relatively predictable and
>>> fixed; we can fiddle with them a bit, but it looks like they'll be
>>> somewhere in the range of $6000-10000.
>>> - *Community Investment expenses*: This is where we have the most
>>> discretion. For the current financial year we're on target to spend around
>>> $20k.
>>>
>>> *So.... what if we figure out the total amount we can afford to spend in
>>> the Community Investment category, and then allocate that into TGP, Grants,
>>> Sponsorship, and Committees/WGs?* The benefit of this approach is 1) we
>>> spend what we can afford and 2) we consider the relative impact where
>>> we invest. We have a finite amount of money - if we spend $10k on X, we
>>> can't spend it on Y or Z, even if Y or Z might actually have a bigger
>>> impact.
>>>
>>> It forces us to contend with the question: If our total community
>>> investment spend is $25k, and we spend $15k on the TGP, do we cut back on
>>> other grants and sponsorship?
>>>
>>> I've added a "simple" version to this tab of the budget sheet
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=1487652216>
>>> to make it a little easier to reason with, and I've adjusted a couple of
>>> numbers based on Alex's suggestions. Even with ops costs cut right back,
>>> and "only" 10k allocated to TGP, it leaves us with a relatively modest
>>> surplus of $4300. Increase the TGP to 15k and we're in the red - would need
>>> to cut it from somewhere else (or ensure we have a bigger conference
>>> surplus).
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 15:47, eli <elipuccioni at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually I have an input re:TGP:
>>> The higher budget we had for Auckland and (hopefully) we will have for
>>> Hobart is aiming to enable more participation from the pacific. We have
>>> noticed that smaller grants cut the majority of the pacific applicants off,
>>> due to the cost of traveling. So I’m in full support of this higher
>>> spending on TGP (no surprises here!).
>>> Moreover, because of the problems with NZ immigration last year, we
>>> “moved” people from Auckland to Suva, so PGRSC grantees were actually
>>> FOSS4G winners, we didn’t have a separate budget and program for that
>>> conference. That said, one of my personal goals would be extending the TGP
>>> to relevant conferences in the Pacific, especially the PGRSC, but I
>>> understand that might not be possible to implement every year and will
>>> depend on our finances.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Elisa
>>>
>>> Potrebbe andar peggio...potrebbe piovere!
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 23 apr 2024 alle 19:36 eli <elipuccioni at gmail.com> ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>> Thanks both Alex and John for this and support of I’m not adding much
>>> input in this. As Jonah said, I am too learning from your expertise and
>>> feel I still have a bit of learning to do before contributing more actively!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Elisa
>>>
>>> Potrebbe andar peggio...potrebbe piovere!
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno mar 23 apr 2024 alle 18:40 John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Thanks Alex, I've made a few modifications to the sheet based on your
>>> suggestions:
>>>
>>> - split event income & expenses (I used the Hobart budget middle
>>> scenario for these amounts, ex GST)
>>> - split the single conference line into separate lines for each event
>>> - put OSGeo TGP grant into 2024 projected rather than 2025 budgeted
>>>
>>> Having the conference items separated out like that is a bit more
>>> complex, but I like the extra detail. The big thing that jumps out at me,
>>> though, is the need to refine the conference estimates as early as we can.
>>>
>>> Re: TGP, I'm certainly open to the suggestion of increasing it (if we
>>> have good reason), I think it's an important part of what we do.
>>>
>>> It would be great to have more insight into how much money we actually
>>> need, and what we're aiming for. By my calculations, this is what we've
>>> spent over the years:
>>>
>>> - Melbourne 2018: $4650 for 7 people
>>> - Wellington 2019: $9000 for 14 people
>>> - Auckland 2023: $6400 for 5 people
>>> - PGRSC 2023: $5100 for 3 people
>>>
>>> Would the Hobart TGP be significantly different from Auckland? Should we
>>> include other events this year (eg PGRSC) in our budget?
>>>
>>> One other thought - in 2018 and 2019, we started off with a modest
>>> budget for the TGP and increased it as we became more confident we had the
>>> funds. Could this approach work for us this year as well?
>>>
>>> By the way, everyone, Alex and I are engaging in this, but he's right,
>>> all board members should be thinking about our finances and providing their
>>> input (please).
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 18:32, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, so here's the notes from the march minutes
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LMz-7ENIqbuE-QGhqB6ryO9bDRYFS0E4bxZMgjJQb2w/edit>:
>>>
>>>
>>> - Intent to allocate 10k to TGP (pending FY24/25 budget discussion
>>> and approval)
>>> - Planning to request USD5k from OSGeo (Dorothy will write it up)
>>>
>>> It's a little ambiguous, but I'd like to request that we allocate $10 k
>>> from the OO budget plus the $5 k (AUD) from OSGeo.
>>>
>>> We've kicked off the TGP early, and I'm hoping we can spend our
>>> allocation and bring as many people as we can along to the event in Hobart,
>>> so if we're as successful as we have been in past years, I'd love to
>>> increase the amount that's available too.
>>>
>>> If we have a starting point of $15 k, that will set Dorothy up nicely to
>>> start planning.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 19:44, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thinking a bit more about TGP...
>>>
>>> I suggest this:
>>>
>>> - we allocate $10k to TGP (including OSGeo $5000)
>>> - if the OSGeo request is declined, we reconsider our allocation
>>> - if/when conference sponsors provide extra TGP funds, we increase
>>> the amount accordingly
>>>
>>> In total, this would be roughly in line with how much we spent last
>>> year, and should be enough for the 10 TGP registrations allocated in the
>>> conference budget, potentially with money left over for other events.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 15:28, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wasn't at the March meeting, but it sounded like the outcome was that
>>> the discussion would happen later when we talked about the budget. I don't
>>> think we've had any other discussions about it?
>>> So I reckon this is the budget discussion where we should make that
>>> decision.
>>>
>>> These seem like relevant points:
>>>
>>> - the Hobart conf budget accounts for 10 TGP regos
>>> - this year we spent ~12k including the OSGeo $5k
>>>
>>> I haven't seen an accounting of last year's TGP (number and amount of
>>> grants) but it would be useful, if anyone knows about it?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 15:12, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, I thought we agreed on $20 k like last year?
>>>
>>> Apologies if I remembered wrong.
>>>
>>> Was the $10 k you thought we agreed including the OSGeo money?
>>>
>>> *Alex Leith*
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 5:11 PM, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone, great comments so far.
>>>
>>> Alex, one question, you said "We have earmarked $20 k for the TGP for
>>> the Hobart conference"... all I'm aware of is a discussion at the March
>>> board meeting where the outcome was: "Intent to allocate 10k to TGP
>>> (pending FY24/25 budget discussion and approval)"
>>>
>>> Where does the $20k figure come from?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 09:04, Jonah Sullivan <jonahsullivan79 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm really glad to see Alex and John engaging on the very important
>>> topic of financial probity. I probably shouldn't have raised my hand as
>>> treasurer, considering my lack of experience and annoying work commitments,
>>> but I'm glad to be more involved in the process - I'm learning a lot
>>> already.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 08:53 Alex Leith via Oceania-Board, <
>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> For this FY, here's some comments:
>>>
>>> - I requested travel grant funding from OSGeo a week ago for $3,500
>>> USD. That should be received this FY, I expect.
>>> - The other hard to forecast difference is sponsorship and ticket
>>> sales for the conference, which should start happening this FY. I'm hoping
>>> to start reaching out to potential sponsors, and some organisations like
>>> spending money in the current FY. I expect to have some money flowing in
>>> soon.
>>> - I want to note that since our term deposits matured in December,
>>> and we received ~$1,800, we haven't now got any cash earning interest. I
>>> think it would be a good idea to put money away in a 12 month term deposit,
>>> as we can now achieve 4.75% interest, so on $50 k, that's over $2,000 of
>>> free money!
>>> - We perhaps need a budget line for conference 2024, since we have
>>> paid the deposit for the venue at $14 k.
>>>
>>> For the 2025 budget:
>>>
>>> - The $25 k surplus is quite conservative. I think we'll do better
>>> than that for the conference, but it's nice to be conservative in budgeting!
>>> - We have earmarked $20 k for the TGP for the Hobart conference.
>>> With $5 k coming from OSGeo, that leaves a worst case of $15 k from OO.
>>> (This will be topped up by the conference with a portion of sponsorship
>>> going to TGP.)
>>>
>>> And just a note that we should be doing budgeting with the balance sheet
>>> in mind too. We currently have $60 k in the bank, which is unusually low,
>>> mostly because we have started paying expenses for the 2024 conference, but
>>> haven't got any income yet.
>>>
>>> Now it's a fairly minor thing, but I would prefer to have a separate
>>> line for conference income and conference expenses. We sometimes have
>>> smaller regional events, and it's good to see the difference in
>>> expense/income per event.
>>>
>>> And one of those boring reminders too that as Board Directors, we need
>>> to remember that we are all individually accountable for the financial
>>> health of the organisation, we can't delegate that responsibility to
>>> others, so please engage with this important work and make sure you
>>> understand it!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 at 12:58, John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi board,
>>>
>>> The 2024-2025 financial year (FY25) begins on 1 July.
>>>
>>> It would be good to move the FY25 budget forward, ideally we can approve
>>> it in May but I'm sure there will be some discussion required. Perhaps we
>>> can discuss in this thread over the next couple of weeks and put it on the
>>> agenda for further discussion at the May board meeting?
>>>
>>> My ambition with this is to:
>>>
>>> - come up with a realistic set of numbers we can use to guide
>>> spending decisions in the upcoming financial year
>>> - set targets for income, community investment, and ultimately, a
>>> surplus to help keep us solvent
>>> - provide clear and visible financial targets and priorities to the
>>> community
>>>
>>> Can you please review the attached PDF and/or the Google Sheet
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=61568483>?
>>> I've listed several questions that I hope will help us move it forward.
>>>
>>> Your comments and questions please!
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at 16:15, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We discussed at the February board meeting that we should get moving on
>>> a budget for next year. I want to kick off a discussion towards hopefully
>>> having a first draft within the next few weeks, and a final draft for
>>> approval in May.
>>>
>>> I have a sheet here
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=0> with
>>> the current year projected and actual amounts for context.
>>>
>>> For now, do you have any specific items on your wish list for next year?
>>>
>>> I have a few suggestions and questions:
>>>
>>> - *Distinct "Operational" & "Community Investment" expense
>>> categories*. By doing this, we make sure we allocate enough to keep
>>> the lights on, and then we have better sight of what we can afford to
>>> invest in community programs.
>>> - *Separate grants and sponsorship*. They're accounted for
>>> separately in Xero and I think it caused some confusion this year when we
>>> overspent on the combined item. We ultimately increased the budget amount
>>> but for a time the Grants committee was unsure if they should hit pause. By
>>> separating these, I think we add clarity.
>>> - *Remove "Special Interest Groups"?* We don't really have any SIGs
>>> (OSM SIG has never been active, QGIS SIG wound up in June 2022). I still
>>> think we should make these kinds of investments in OSM and QGIS community
>>> groups of course, but maybe we do it under sponsorship and grants line
>>> items?
>>> - *TGP:* At the last board meeting there was talk of ~10k for the
>>> Travel Grant Program, is this the right amount? It sounds like the Hobart
>>> conference may have about $5000 to add to this, depending on sponsorship
>>> (Alex correct me if I've got this wrong!).
>>>
>>> Also I think we'll need to make a projection on the conference surplus,
>>> perhaps this is an item for discussion at the next board meeting on the 3rd.
>>>
>>> Your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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