[Oceania-Board] 2024-2025 budget
Alex Leith
alexgleith at gmail.com
Wed May 1 14:53:57 PDT 2024
What is their financial year?
I'll ask Angelos if we can request again for the next FY.
On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 07:18, eli via Oceania-Board <
oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
> oh that's not nice. I suppose the lesson is learned, we need to apply for
> the TGP as soon as OSGeo plan their budget next time.
>
> Il giorno gio 2 mag 2024 alle ore 09:15 John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi all, FYI:
>>
>> Unfortunately our request for TGP funding from OSGeo was not approved,
>> see meeting minutes
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2024-04-30#FOSS4G_SotM_Oceania_TGP_Request>.
>> The OSGeo TGP budget has already been spent for this year.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 10:16, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's a good idea to model a pessimistic scenario, but the $4k
>>> surplus isn't that pessimistic - it's based on a conference surplus that's
>>> more than double Auckland's surplus.
>>>
>>> A moderately pessimistic scenario would have to contain the possibility
>>> the 2024 conference surplus is similar to 2023, ie ~13k. I'm optimistic
>>> too, but given that Auckland is a much bigger market than Hobart, and cost
>>> of living pressures are making people very cautious about discretionary
>>> spending, I think we have to consider it within the realm of possibility.
>>>
>>> I've done a moderately pessimistic "scenario 2" in the simplified sheet
>>> that includes this contingency. It puts the TGP at $15k, reduces other
>>> community investment (grants, sponsorship, WGs) by $5k, and it puts us at a
>>> loss of ~$12k. Hopefully very unlikely, but at this stage we just don't
>>> know - our most recent experience indicates that it's possible.
>>>
>>> I don't think we're in a financial position right now to allocate more
>>> than we've ever spent on TGP, at a point when we're at maximum uncertainty
>>> about conference income. Our past experience has shown us we can approach
>>> it progressively - allocate a modest amount now, and increase it when we
>>> become more confident we have the surplus to support it.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm saying is that I think we should start small, and grow
>>> it when we hit sponsorship and registration targets, otherwise we run the
>>> risk we 1) make a large loss again next year and/or 2) have to cut
>>> other community investments.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 07:24, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>>
>>>> I think targeting a $4 k surplus is ok in the pessimistic scenario.
>>>>
>>>> I really hope that we can deliver something like a $60 k surplus from
>>>> the conference, like we did in Melbourne and Wellington. I'm always fairly
>>>> optimistic, but I have had a lot of people say that they're excited to come
>>>> to Hobart, and we can handle a pretty big crowd... so maybe we'll exceed
>>>> expectations.
>>>>
>>>> I'm ok with starting the budget with a modest TGP allocation of $15 k
>>>> including the OSGeo cash and increasing if we can.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 19:32, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Elisa, that's really helpful input. I had a rough idea of what
>>>>> had happened, but I didn't know we hadn't actually planned to do PGRSC as
>>>>> part of the program. So this year, should we proactively include other
>>>>> events in our TGP budget?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me ask everyone... what if we zoom out for a moment, simplify, and
>>>>> think of the budget as having 3 major components:
>>>>>
>>>>> - *Conference surplus*: Virtually all of our income is derived
>>>>> from this one source, and needs to pay for everything else, so this is
>>>>> crucial; but it's handled in detail by another budget - we can provide
>>>>> oversight using that budget.
>>>>> - *Operational expenses*: These are relatively predictable and
>>>>> fixed; we can fiddle with them a bit, but it looks like they'll be
>>>>> somewhere in the range of $6000-10000.
>>>>> - *Community Investment expenses*: This is where we have the most
>>>>> discretion. For the current financial year we're on target to spend around
>>>>> $20k.
>>>>>
>>>>> *So.... what if we figure out the total amount we can afford to spend
>>>>> in the Community Investment category, and then allocate that into TGP,
>>>>> Grants, Sponsorship, and Committees/WGs?* The benefit of this
>>>>> approach is 1) we spend what we can afford and 2) we consider the relative
>>>>> impact where we invest. We have a finite amount of money - if we spend $10k
>>>>> on X, we can't spend it on Y or Z, even if Y or Z might actually have a
>>>>> bigger impact.
>>>>>
>>>>> It forces us to contend with the question: If our total community
>>>>> investment spend is $25k, and we spend $15k on the TGP, do we cut back on
>>>>> other grants and sponsorship?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've added a "simple" version to this tab of the budget sheet
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=1487652216>
>>>>> to make it a little easier to reason with, and I've adjusted a couple of
>>>>> numbers based on Alex's suggestions. Even with ops costs cut right back,
>>>>> and "only" 10k allocated to TGP, it leaves us with a relatively modest
>>>>> surplus of $4300. Increase the TGP to 15k and we're in the red - would need
>>>>> to cut it from somewhere else (or ensure we have a bigger conference
>>>>> surplus).
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 15:47, eli <elipuccioni at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I have an input re:TGP:
>>>>>> The higher budget we had for Auckland and (hopefully) we will have
>>>>>> for Hobart is aiming to enable more participation from the pacific. We have
>>>>>> noticed that smaller grants cut the majority of the pacific applicants off,
>>>>>> due to the cost of traveling. So I’m in full support of this higher
>>>>>> spending on TGP (no surprises here!).
>>>>>> Moreover, because of the problems with NZ immigration last year, we
>>>>>> “moved” people from Auckland to Suva, so PGRSC grantees were actually
>>>>>> FOSS4G winners, we didn’t have a separate budget and program for that
>>>>>> conference. That said, one of my personal goals would be extending the TGP
>>>>>> to relevant conferences in the Pacific, especially the PGRSC, but I
>>>>>> understand that might not be possible to implement every year and will
>>>>>> depend on our finances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Elisa
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potrebbe andar peggio...potrebbe piovere!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno mar 23 apr 2024 alle 19:36 eli <elipuccioni at gmail.com> ha
>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks both Alex and John for this and support of I’m not adding
>>>>>>> much input in this. As Jonah said, I am too learning from your expertise
>>>>>>> and feel I still have a bit of learning to do before contributing more
>>>>>>> actively!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Elisa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Potrebbe andar peggio...potrebbe piovere!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Il giorno mar 23 apr 2024 alle 18:40 John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
>>>>>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Alex, I've made a few modifications to the sheet based on
>>>>>>>> your suggestions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - split event income & expenses (I used the Hobart budget
>>>>>>>> middle scenario for these amounts, ex GST)
>>>>>>>> - split the single conference line into separate lines for each
>>>>>>>> event
>>>>>>>> - put OSGeo TGP grant into 2024 projected rather than 2025
>>>>>>>> budgeted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having the conference items separated out like that is a bit more
>>>>>>>> complex, but I like the extra detail. The big thing that jumps out at me,
>>>>>>>> though, is the need to refine the conference estimates as early as we can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Re: TGP, I'm certainly open to the suggestion of increasing it (if
>>>>>>>> we have good reason), I think it's an important part of what we do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be great to have more insight into how much money we
>>>>>>>> actually need, and what we're aiming for. By my calculations, this is what
>>>>>>>> we've spent over the years:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Melbourne 2018: $4650 for 7 people
>>>>>>>> - Wellington 2019: $9000 for 14 people
>>>>>>>> - Auckland 2023: $6400 for 5 people
>>>>>>>> - PGRSC 2023: $5100 for 3 people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would the Hobart TGP be significantly different from Auckland?
>>>>>>>> Should we include other events this year (eg PGRSC) in our budget?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One other thought - in 2018 and 2019, we started off with a modest
>>>>>>>> budget for the TGP and increased it as we became more confident we had the
>>>>>>>> funds. Could this approach work for us this year as well?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, everyone, Alex and I are engaging in this, but he's
>>>>>>>> right, all board members should be thinking about our finances and
>>>>>>>> providing their input (please).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 18:32, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, so here's the notes from the march minutes
>>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LMz-7ENIqbuE-QGhqB6ryO9bDRYFS0E4bxZMgjJQb2w/edit>
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Intent to allocate 10k to TGP (pending FY24/25 budget
>>>>>>>>> discussion and approval)
>>>>>>>>> - Planning to request USD5k from OSGeo (Dorothy will write it
>>>>>>>>> up)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's a little ambiguous, but I'd like to request that we allocate
>>>>>>>>> $10 k from the OO budget plus the $5 k (AUD) from OSGeo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've kicked off the TGP early, and I'm hoping we can spend our
>>>>>>>>> allocation and bring as many people as we can along to the event in Hobart,
>>>>>>>>> so if we're as successful as we have been in past years, I'd love to
>>>>>>>>> increase the amount that's available too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If we have a starting point of $15 k, that will set Dorothy up
>>>>>>>>> nicely to start planning.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 19:44, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thinking a bit more about TGP...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suggest this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - we allocate $10k to TGP (including OSGeo $5000)
>>>>>>>>>> - if the OSGeo request is declined, we reconsider our
>>>>>>>>>> allocation
>>>>>>>>>> - if/when conference sponsors provide extra TGP funds, we
>>>>>>>>>> increase the amount accordingly
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In total, this would be roughly in line with how much we spent
>>>>>>>>>> last year, and should be enough for the 10 TGP registrations allocated in
>>>>>>>>>> the conference budget, potentially with money left over for other events.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 15:28, John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't at the March meeting, but it sounded like the outcome
>>>>>>>>>>> was that the discussion would happen later when we talked about the budget.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we've had any other discussions about it?
>>>>>>>>>>> So I reckon this is the budget discussion where we should make
>>>>>>>>>>> that decision.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These seem like relevant points:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - the Hobart conf budget accounts for 10 TGP regos
>>>>>>>>>>> - this year we spent ~12k including the OSGeo $5k
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen an accounting of last year's TGP (number and
>>>>>>>>>>> amount of grants) but it would be useful, if anyone knows about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 15:12, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, I thought we agreed on $20 k like last year?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apologies if I remembered wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Was the $10 k you thought we agreed including the OSGeo money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alex Leith*
>>>>>>>>>>>> m: +61 419 189 050
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://auspatious.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 5:11 PM, John Bryant <
>>>>>>>>>>>> johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks everyone, great comments so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex, one question, you said "We have earmarked $20 k for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TGP for the Hobart conference"... all I'm aware of is a discussion at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> March board meeting where the outcome was: "Intent to allocate 10k to TGP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (pending FY24/25 budget discussion and approval)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where does the $20k figure come from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 at 09:04, Jonah Sullivan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonahsullivan79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm really glad to see Alex and John engaging on the very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important topic of financial probity. I probably shouldn't have raised my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand as treasurer, considering my lack of experience and annoying work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitments, but I'm glad to be more involved in the process - I'm learning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a lot already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, 08:53 Alex Leith via Oceania-Board, <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For this FY, here's some comments:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I requested travel grant funding from OSGeo a week ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for $3,500 USD. That should be received this FY, I expect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The other hard to forecast difference is sponsorship
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ticket sales for the conference, which should start happening this FY.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to start reaching out to potential sponsors, and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organisations like spending money in the current FY. I expect to have some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money flowing in soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - I want to note that since our term deposits matured in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> December, and we received ~$1,800, we haven't now got any cash earning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interest. I think it would be a good idea to put money away in a 12 month
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> term deposit, as we can now achieve 4.75% interest, so on $50 k, that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over $2,000 of free money!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - We perhaps need a budget line for conference 2024,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since we have paid the deposit for the venue at $14 k.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the 2025 budget:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - The $25 k surplus is quite conservative. I think we'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do better than that for the conference, but it's nice to be conservative in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> budgeting!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - We have earmarked $20 k for the TGP for the Hobart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference. With $5 k coming from OSGeo, that leaves a worst case of $15 k
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from OO. (This will be topped up by the conference with a portion of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship going to TGP.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And just a note that we should be doing budgeting with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balance sheet in mind too. We currently have $60 k in the bank, which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusually low, mostly because we have started paying expenses for the 2024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference, but haven't got any income yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's a fairly minor thing, but I would prefer to have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> separate line for conference income and conference expenses. We sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have smaller regional events, and it's good to see the difference in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expense/income per event.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one of those boring reminders too that as Board
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Directors, we need to remember that we are all individually accountable for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the financial health of the organisation, we can't delegate that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsibility to others, so please engage with this important work and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure you understand it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 at 12:58, John Bryant via Oceania-Board <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oceania-board at lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 2024-2025 financial year (FY25) begins on 1 July.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be good to move the FY25 budget forward, ideally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can approve it in May but I'm sure there will be some discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required. Perhaps we can discuss in this thread over the next couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks and put it on the agenda for further discussion at the May board
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My ambition with this is to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - come up with a realistic set of numbers we can use to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide spending decisions in the upcoming financial year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - set targets for income, community investment, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately, a surplus to help keep us solvent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - provide clear and visible financial targets and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priorities to the community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please review the attached PDF and/or the Google
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=61568483>?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've listed several questions that I hope will help us move it forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your comments and questions please!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 at 16:15, John Bryant <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We discussed at the February board meeting that we should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get moving on a budget for next year. I want to kick off a discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards hopefully having a first draft within the next few weeks, and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> final draft for approval in May.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a sheet here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gRWZXt1bZqTqNMf5sr7Ff5dH4Sp_Nabe4QoZHPPPpmw/edit#gid=0> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the current year projected and actual amounts for context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now, do you have any specific items on your wish list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for next year?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a few suggestions and questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Distinct "Operational" & "Community Investment"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expense categories*. By doing this, we make sure we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allocate enough to keep the lights on, and then we have better sight of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we can afford to invest in community programs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Separate grants and sponsorship*. They're accounted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for separately in Xero and I think it caused some confusion this year when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we overspent on the combined item. We ultimately increased the budget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amount but for a time the Grants committee was unsure if they should hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pause. By separating these, I think we add clarity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *Remove "Special Interest Groups"?* We don't really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any SIGs (OSM SIG has never been active, QGIS SIG wound up in June
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022). I still think we should make these kinds of investments in OSM and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QGIS community groups of course, but maybe we do it under sponsorship and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grants line items?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - *TGP:* At the last board meeting there was talk of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~10k for the Travel Grant Program, is this the right amount? It sounds like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hobart conference may have about $5000 to add to this, depending on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship (Alex correct me if I've got this wrong!).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I think we'll need to make a projection on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference surplus, perhaps this is an item for discussion at the next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board meeting on the 3rd.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Alex Leith*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m: +61 419 189 050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://auspatious.com
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> m: +61 419 189 050
>>>>>>>>> https://auspatious.com
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