[OSGeo Oceania] A discussion on openness

Sun Dec 6 19:50:16 PST 2020

Hello Alex,

As I stated in an earlier email, I have been oblivious to any issues. I tend to focus more on international efforts.

This may be because there is no issue, or because discussions have been held in private. 

However, when people I respect for their past efforts resign mid-term and we have a list discussion on whether it is really necessary to have an open board list, it gets me wondering if there are deeper issues at play.

This may well be a storm in a tea cup, but I believe that it is worth working through.

@All,

As to what I want from our local community:

Openness within an open source community is critical to good community governance. 

There may be situations e.g. that involve code of conduct discussions; or procurement evaluations where private discussions are required, however these should be minimised, and not the norm. As a rule, all discussions should be open.

If people have not done so already, I suggest that Karl Fogel’s excellent book ‘Producing Open Source software’ is a good starting point to help determine what they want.

This book can be found here:  https://producingoss.com/ <https://producingoss.com/>

I have found this book to be an excellent primer on what types of things need to be in place for a thriving and effective open source community.

Kind regards,

Bruce 

> On 7 Dec 2020, at 14:09, Alex Leith <alexgleith at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bruce
> 
> There have been three directors resign. Two for personal reasons, and one for ethical reasons. (Correct me if I'm wrong, Daniel, John or Adam?)
> 
> I do feel fairly defensive of these types of criticisms, and I don't really, honestly think I should, but I do. I have been involved in this organisation from when it was an informal committee organising a conference through until now, and like Ed and Phil say, it's full of good people doing good things and meaning well. The organisation has made some minor mistakes, and we're still working out how we work, but there is no serious issue that I see. Please have a read of my words in the annual report, or help me understand what you see as the serious issue or issues are?
> 
> I'd like to hear from the community about what the expectations of openness are, though. And thankyou Ed for kicking this off.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 13:36, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com <mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello Edoardo,
> 
> Well done for initiating this thread. I encourage the OSGeo Oceania community to contribute their thoughts on this issue.
> 
> 
> I also encourage you to not try and downplay or whitewash any issues.
> 
> There is obviously a serious issue here. Why else did two former Directors feel ethically compelled to resign from the OSGeo Oceania Board mid-term?
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 11:17, Edoardo Neerhut <eneerhut at gmail.com <mailto:eneerhut at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for your thoughtful response Phil. I share much of your positivity and appreciation for all the board has achieved.
>> 
>> I agree that managing the myriad of communication channels is difficult and time consuming. I have a love/hate relationship with the mailing lists, but they seem to be the most open, universal mechanism to disseminate information and have discussions. Prediction: The year is 3020 and we're still sending emails to mailing lists.
>> 
>> My own conclusion with communication is that people should communicate wherever they like, but you have one central, open place for official/important communication and that would be the mailing list. Part of the conversation here seems to be: what is official and important? Did we make things as open as we should have?
>> 
>> These things are hard in a volunteer community, so this is not a criticism of anyone, but a reflection on the ways we can continually improve.
>> 
>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 at 10:18, Phil Wyatt <phil at wyatt-family.com <mailto:phil at wyatt-family.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Folks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> TLDR:
>> 
>> COVID-19! I am happy. The board are doing their difficult job in these initial stages. Communication in this day and age is bloody hard! Things will settle down.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My experience
>> 
>> I have been a low key bystander during the formation of OSGEO Oceania. I am retired and have lots of time on my hands to check multiple communication channels. I am an initial member having attended the Melbourne conference and supported the idea of an organisation that supports our region in Open Source software and OpenStreetMap.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The role of the board is set out in a fairly legal and technical way and I commend all those that have stood up to take on the roles, especially in the formation stages of the organisation.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> https://aicd.companydirectors.com.au/resources/director-tools/practical-tools-for-directors/governance-relations/role-of-the-board <https://aicd.companydirectors.com.au/resources/director-tools/practical-tools-for-directors/governance-relations/role-of-the-board>
>>  
>> 
>> It’s not easy, there will be a learning a curve for many and there will be frustrations, arguments and concerns as the organisation develops. The overarching thing for me is that the board does not do anything that would be harmful to the community. To date, I have not seen anything that I believe has harmed the community. In the year of COVID I am just thankful that you have all survived in your work lives (hopefully!) as well as helping set up a vibrant regional organisation. Thank you.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There are likely processes that need to be ironed out, procedures that need formalising and standards set for appropriate timelines for actions but these things will get sorted as the pressure eases from the initial formation stage. Lets be honest, 2020 has been a year like no other and we have managed to survive! Thanks again to you all for your hard work.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Openness and communication
>> 
>> Do I, as a member, need to know every aspect of the board deliberations of all processes? No, I don’t, but I should have a role in helping formulate and at least seeing final drafts before a board sign-off. This has occurred with documents like the terms of reference. Would it be good to have the minutes of meetings in one place, yes absolutely. What’s the best place for those….well, I personally hate wiki’s but they seem to be the norm for open organisations. I can learn to live with that but I wish they had more structure and an easy way to navigate around!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I follow many communication channels for various reasons…Slack, Discord, Mailing lists, Email, Telegram, Zoom, Big Blue Button, Youtube streams….the list is endless these days and adoption varies widely across the Oceania region. This will be a challenge in the short and long term for the organisation. Regions may have their own preferences for local communication so subject to information being available to the wider region it may well be that regions collectively put their thoughts back to the board by one appropriate formal channel. Maybe the mailing list is the ‘formal’ channel?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Conclusion
>> 
>> Don’t be too hard on yourselves – you are all volunteers. Yes, we all need to get some structure back into our lives and OSGEO Oceania is no different. Work on getting timely and regular processes in place and solid regular communication to a formal channel (or two) but personally, I don’t need all the minute details – I trust the board to do no harm!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers – Phil (aka tastrax)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Oceania <oceania-bounces at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:oceania-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> On Behalf Of Edoardo Neerhut
>> Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2020 10:32 PM
>> To: oceania at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
>> Subject: [OSGeo Oceania] A discussion on openness
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> TLDR: 
>> 
>> To the current/former directors: How would you describe the organisation's experience with openness and transparency?
>> 
>> To the whole community: How do you feel? What should the board and the community do more or less of?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The context
>> 
>> There have been a number of comments made recently about transparency and openness and I wanted to tease them out a bit as the end of year approaches. In particular, Adam and John expressed their concerns here <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania-board/2020-November/000112.html> and here <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2020-November/002439.html> respectively, with both resigning as directors as a consequence.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is clearly an issue for further discussion. The OSGeo Oceania director elections end in a few hours and regardless of the results, I am very keen to hear what practical steps we should take to address these concerns. Adam/John: if you have time to elaborate that would be much appreciated as well.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My experience
>> 
>> I think most would agree transparency and openness should be fundamental aspects to our community. What's harder is living up to them. I am guilty of sending a quick Slack message or email to people for the sake of expediency, but failing on transparency as a consequence.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have worked with many on the current board and feel they are all wonderful, talented people, operating with the best interests of OSGeo Oceania at heart. I'm optimistic about where we're at and we can go and I want to thank all on the board and the wider community for getting us here. Hundreds of people from across the region have been able to learn, share, and connect with geospatial ideas and tools through these efforts. I honestly don't believe there is a people issue here, but a fog over the decision making process which we need to tease out.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My read from where I stand is that there is a constant battle between expediency and openness. I am still trying to understand the relationship between these two things at a practical level.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Practically speaking, what should we do?
>> 
>> I am going to assume we agree that openness is fundamental to the health of the organisation. If I have falsely assumed this, please correct me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On the areas we are failing, why do we think this is the case? I believe everyone is operating in good faith. 
>> 
>> Take the example of meeting minutes. They went up eventually, so do we need to make sure we share responsibility more so that this happens immediately after? Could members of the community join board meetings in this role?
>> On board decisions, why were some decisions timely? Can we minimise that in future? Were some board members slow to make a decision? What is the expectation here from board members?
>> The concept of membership is still vague and I bear more responsibility for this failure than anyone. At the same time, this is something that we as a community should decide collectively. I should have done more to initiatie that conversation openly.
>> These are just three examples. I'm sure there are many more.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So finally, what are the low hanging fruits? Where should the community focus our efforts going forward? Why are we failing in these areas? How should we address them?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We've come a long way thanks to all of you and I'm very optimistic about the road ahead. How do we traverse it?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Oceania mailing list
>> Oceania at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Oceania mailing list
> Oceania at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alex Leith
> m: 0419189050

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/attachments/20201207/4a9fd8ff/attachment.html>