[OSGeo Oceania] OSM Community issue

Thu Dec 10 16:53:32 PST 2020

Thanks for initiating this Greg.

And thanks for making the point about the local chapter Martin. An action
item I have over the next week is to do a better job communicating the
connection between us and the OSMF and getting the community conversation
going again on our OSM. The SIG charter is one such example.
I agree we should have a voice on this topic as well as the local chapter
of the OSMF. Whether Celine's proposal is the right format, I'm not sure.

At a personal level, I signed just now because I agree that there is an
underlying issue with diversity and inclusion in OpenStreetMap. I put the
caveat that I am wary of signing a document that is still evolving and
prescribing solutions to hastily.

As an incoming board member, I am honestly quite confused as to whether we
can/should list ourselves as a signatory. Fully open minded on this and
looking forward to hearing all points of view.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 11:28, Martin Tomko <tomkom at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

> Hi Bruce,
>
> I fully accept your personal statement, just wanted to add one
> clarification: OSGEo Oceania is not a different community to OSM, and OSGEO
> Oceania IS the local chapter of OSM. We are not “just” an OSGeo local
> chapter, but also serve the OSM community ( Hence, also the FOSS4G SOTM
> conference, and the nascent OSM SIG).
>
>
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> As such, I believe we have a stake, should have a voice, and help steer
> the OSM community in the direction we – the Oceania part of this community,
> desire it to move.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
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> *From: *Oceania <oceania-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Date: *Friday, 11 December 2020 at 10:57 am
> *To: *Greg Lauer <gregory.lauer at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *oceania at lists.osgeo.org <oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] OSM Community issue
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> Firstly, thank you for bouncing this issue by our community in the first
> instance. Many hands can make light work...
>
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> As to the issue:
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> The language and tone of the email that you referenced is offensive and
> should not be tolerated within any open source community.
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> This type of incident is why communities have implemented formal Codes of
> Conduct to provide guidance to a community as to what is considered to be
> acceptable behaviour, together with the consequences of breaching that code
> of conduct.
>
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> A good example of a COC that I shared recently is the Berlin COC [1].
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> As to our potential response:
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> I had a quick look at the referenced email and document.
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> This is not our issue to sort out. This is an internal issue for the OSM
> community to resolve themselves.
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> I believe that it is not appropriate for OSGeo Oceania to intervene.
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> We should therefore refrain from comment.
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> That said, this is a good example of why we need a clear understanding of
> how we relate with each other within our community. I don’t recall that we
> have seriously discussed the need for a COC within our community.
>
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> I recall that people like Cameron Shorter have discussed the need. Alex
> also referred to a conference COC (I think).
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> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Bruce
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> [1] https://berlincodeofconduct.org/
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> On 11 Dec 2020, at 10:20, Greg Lauer <gregory.lauer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I am sure most of you will be aware of the 'Call to Take Action' being
> circulated in the OSM community. Several members have asked OSGeo Oceania
> to endorse the call to action. See links in email below.
>
>
>
> We have our first board meeting (as in with the new Board) this afternoon
> and I have put it as an agenda item. I am personally hesitant for the Board
> to make a decision on endorsing the call to action with out some barometer
> of support from members and/or community for such a action (or no action).
>
>
>
> Can I ask our members and community at large to put some thought into the
> appropriate action that OSGeo Oceania should undertake. For example do we
> agree to simply endorse the Call to action, or do we issue a statement. Or
> do we not support the Call to Action? I realize this is short notice but
> that is out of our control :-(
>
>
>
> Some of the community (including myself) have made some comments on the
> working document (link below this email)
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> The meeting starts at 2pm. If anybody wanted to speak to the Board on this
> matter we can make some time available via a Zoom invitation.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Greg
>
> ------ Forwarded Message --------
> From: Celine Jacquin <celija at gmail.com>
> Date: 12/10/2020 4:57:57 PM
> Subject: [Osmf-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive
> Behavior in the OSM Community
> To: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org, talk at openstreetmap.org
>
> Hello everybody
> I hope you are all well
>
> We, several groups, chapters, organizations and individuals, have reacted
> to the conversation in the osm-talk-list (
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085692.html)
> considering that it is an incident symptomatic of the problem we have faced
> for many years in the community, which is one of the greatest obstacles to
> diversity at all levels of OSM. Time to make a real change.
>
> That is why we have developed a beginning of statement on the desirable
> mechanisms to work solidly on the rules of coexistence and improve
> diversity.
>
>
> We bring it to your attention and invite anyone who feels represented to
> sign it. Translations are in preparation (any help is welcome):
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> On behalf of the signatories
>
> Best regards
>
> Céline Jacquin
>
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