[OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter

Fri Jan 1 16:23:57 PST 2021

Hi All

I have set up a Jitsi  (link)
<https://meet.jit.si/ArbitraryFamesSqueezeMiserably>meeting for 1100 on
Monday 11th January.

It sits on the OSGeo Oceania Events Calendar (QGIS SIG Meetup
<https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=NTBsMW9kYzM0NzhyaWd2NjczcTBiNWRqdXQgMmQyZnNpMTBwNWZzdGVkOHM2cHBwaTBlMXNAZw&tmsrc=2d2fsi10p5fsted8s6pppi0e1s%40group.calendar.google.com>)
so head there to add whether you will be attending and to get all the
links.

We will be working on finalising the QGIS SIG document and I have yet to
get into the agenda folder and will be offline for the next week (offfgrid
beach camping enjoying the storms and rain.....).

If I get on earlier, I will send one out.

Thanks

Em

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All
> I have added the following to the QGIS SIG Charter.
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z>
>
>
>    - Composition and Roles
>       - Secretary
>       - Role of OO Board Director
>    - Financial
>    - Reporting
>    - Referenced documents
>
> Can you please review and add comments on your return from holidays (or
> before if you want to escape your relatives).
>
> Also for the Agenda, I think we should concentrate on finalising the QGIS
> SIG Charter
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z>
> and go through that. So please review it (again) and put in notes etc. Once
> that is complete, we can move to an agenda for normal business.
>
> Additionally, if you have any events, including live you tube
> presentations or get-togethers that fit within OO, please place them on the
> OO Calendar - you can find the links here
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#Events>. Out meetings will be added
> to the calendar.
>
> Merry Christmas!
> Em
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:55 PM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>> For our first meeting, I propose the week starting 10th January. Can you
>> please fill in your preference for meeting times in this doodle poll.
>> https://doodle.com/poll/e4iv56ra4u657eug?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>>
>> Also, please send me any items for an agenda.
>> Once I have a draft I will send through the link.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Em
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all can we set up a meeting?
>>> Do we want to do it after Xmas and before new year or in new year - i am
>>> back on deck on 10th Jan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:42 PM Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffrey83 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comments.
>>>>
>>>> I see what you mean about appearing to be the "go-to" group without
>>>> engagement from the whole community.
>>>>
>>>> The SIG does not necessarily have to be the QGIS user group for the
>>>> whole Oceania region, it is expressed that way in the charter but if it
>>>> doesn't work then it doesn't need to stay that way. The QGIS user groups
>>>> have a model where the user group can be regional or national -
>>>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/usergroups.html - The UK, for
>>>> example, has three representing different parts of the UK. There is no
>>>> reason why Oceania couldn't have multiple independent QGIS user groups like
>>>> Oceania (Australia), Oceania (Aotearoa), Oceania (Fiji) etc. I do, however,
>>>> see all of these user groups within Oceania having the same problem that
>>>> the Australian QGIS group experienced regarding the running of our own
>>>> events, as described before the OO org and SIG concept provide a framework
>>>> to address that.
>>>>
>>>> So, I don't see the SIG standing in the way of local initiatives, but
>>>> we do have responsibility to engage with the Oceania community and let them
>>>> know that this SIG and its resources are not exclusive to the Australian
>>>> QGIS users.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I was going to message you this and ask for advice but it's
>>>> probably best out in the open for other people to throw around suggestions.
>>>> I have struggled with how to best interact with parts/regions of the OO
>>>> community. I've included the Australian QGIS list along the way because it
>>>> is the only user group in Oceania registered on the QGIS site and the OO
>>>> mailing list because we want to form a SIG within that community. However,
>>>> if there are other user groups out there and people know of them i'd
>>>> appreciate it if you could put me in touch.
>>>>
>>>> My preference at the moment with the engagement we have is to push on
>>>> as defined in the charter. The charter is able to be altered in the future,
>>>> so if something just doesn't work or turns out to inadvertently be
>>>> prohibitive then we have the opportunity to correct it. I know the people
>>>> involved at the moment have the communities best interest in mind (and I
>>>> understand no one is suggesting otherwise), and I am confident that the OO
>>>> board will hold us to account. I think if we can address these engagement
>>>> issues as we go, this could be a good example for other SIGs starting out.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Andrew, I'm definitely on board with being inclusive and I
>>>>> think Oceania-wide is great. My concern is about the SIG being seen as the
>>>>> "go-to" representative of the whole region's QGIS community, before this
>>>>> reach is genuinely established, and inadvertently standing in the way of
>>>>> local leadership & initiatives. This is why I wonder whether we see this as
>>>>> an expansion of the QGIS Australia User Group, or if they're kept as
>>>>> distinct groups. I'd personally lean toward making the geographic scope
>>>>> large, and the operational scope small (to begin with).
>>>>>
>>>>> Related, the OSMF made OSGeo Oceania's OpenStreetMap local chapter
>>>>> status conditional on making it clear that country-based groups were
>>>>> entitled to form their own local chapters (see wiki entry
>>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#OpenStreetMap_Oceania>).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I don't think this concern is a blocker, more a note of
>>>>> caution. Hopefully Pacific and NZ people are interested and will join in,
>>>>> the SIG could encourage this by being proactive about supporting users
>>>>> there. Looking forward to helping!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:12, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffrey83 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the comments, I'll check them out. As for the questions
>>>>>> you raise, they haven't been discussed yet and happy to discuss them here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Geographic Scope of the Special Interest Group (SIG) - * As per the OSGeo
>>>>>> Oceania SIG guidelines
>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit>,
>>>>>> it would be available to all OSGeo Oceania org (OO org) members so that
>>>>>> would be the geographic area that OO org represents. Emma was also very
>>>>>> passionate from the start that this is available to all Oceania and not
>>>>>> just Australia. However, I do take on board your observation about the
>>>>>> comments / feedback / input being very much Australian focused, in fact, I
>>>>>> would go one step further and say that it has primarily been from the
>>>>>> regular posters of the OO mailing list
>>>>>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>. Would yourself or Emma
>>>>>> have suggestions on how we could broaden the reach and improve the
>>>>>> community input? Are there other channels that this should be made
>>>>>> available on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Which List - *My intention was that "the open mailing list" will be
>>>>>> the OO mailing list <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>, so
>>>>>> I do apologise for the ambiguity here and I can clear that up in the
>>>>>> charter. As this is a Special Interest Group within the OO org, I believe
>>>>>> that would be the best place for it. But that is only my opinion, happy for
>>>>>> others to share their point of view and reach an outcome that we are all
>>>>>> happy with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been cross-posting the charter and progress on the QGIS
>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list
>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group> for those
>>>>>> who may be interested (I now recognise that this may have caused more
>>>>>> confusion than necessary). A number of members in the QGIS Australia User
>>>>>> group (myself included) wanted to form something like this SIG after the
>>>>>> successful 2017 user meetup in Sydney, it ultimately failed because we
>>>>>> didn't have the capacity to handle funds, and something much better came
>>>>>> along in the local FOSS4G conference and the OO org because it addresses
>>>>>> this challenge for all FOSS4G projects in the region. The development of
>>>>>> this SIG will build on the QGIS community interest that we demonstrated
>>>>>> exists in 2017, this time around we have the structure of the OO org to
>>>>>> help us progress funding initiatives to drive investment in the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:54 PM John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Andrew, awesome work! I've added a few small comments in the doc
>>>>>>> and want to bring up a couple of thoughts. Apologies if I'm raising
>>>>>>> questions that have already been answered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Geographic scope of the SIG*. In the doc it's called the Oceania
>>>>>>> QGIS SIG. I know we've talked about inclusivity, and welcoming
>>>>>>> participation from the whole region, in keeping with the ethos of FOSS4G
>>>>>>> SotM Oceania and OSGeo Oceania. But I'm noticing that so far, (I think) the
>>>>>>> discussion has only drawn comments and contributions from people in
>>>>>>> Australia. I guess this is partly because the QGIS Australia community is
>>>>>>> pretty well established, with a recognised QGIS user group and a mailing
>>>>>>> list dating back nearly 10 years. But I'm wondering if we need to do more
>>>>>>> work to make sure people in other countries welcome this representation.
>>>>>>> Does the lack of participation to date reflect that the message isn't
>>>>>>> getting through, or that only Australians are interested in this SIG? Or is
>>>>>>> it just that the Australia QGIS community is leading the conversation
>>>>>>> because it's more established, and maybe the rest of the region is watching
>>>>>>> & listening with interest, and will join in later?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Which list?* There are a couple of references to "the open mailing
>>>>>>> list", it might be good for us to clarify which list. The existing QGIS
>>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list
>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group>, or the
>>>>>>> Oceania list, or another? I think it could be helpful to make this
>>>>>>> unambiguous so that people know where to post, and which list to follow to
>>>>>>> stay up to date. This might be part of a larger question of whether this
>>>>>>> SIG is distinct from the QGIS Australia User Group, or is the same group in
>>>>>>> a new form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:42, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffrey83 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion on the QGIS SIG proposed charter so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have worked in the comments on dealing with a conflict of
>>>>>>>> interest, voting (minimum number of voters), and membership tiers. Also a
>>>>>>>> few formatting changes e.g. I moved the membership section higher up in the
>>>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect the membership tiers may need some further discussion,
>>>>>>>> these were the tiers loosely discussed by our SIG proposers very early on
>>>>>>>> (not the price but the distinction - prices are placeholders at the
>>>>>>>> moment), we could also look at the pricing of the Swiss User group
>>>>>>>> for guidance
>>>>>>>> <https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application>.
>>>>>>>> However, again this is all open for your input and feedback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andrew Jeffrey <
>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion and input so far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see there are some comments on the charter itself as well which
>>>>>>>>> is great, we'll try and address each of those in the document and I believe
>>>>>>>>> you can see the history/resoltion of these in the "comment history" in the
>>>>>>>>> doc itself. What I can see from the initial feedback is that the
>>>>>>>>> "membership" or definition of needs more detail and we need to address the
>>>>>>>>> potential for "conflicts of interest" when raising and voting on motions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @adam - if you don't mind I will add your example text for dealing
>>>>>>>>> with conflicts of interest from the previous email verbatim as a starting
>>>>>>>>> point and evolve it from there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, remember if you want to have some editing input on the
>>>>>>>>> charter reach out and I can add you as an editor to the document.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:48 PM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Phil Wyatt <phil at wyatt-family.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers - Phil,
>>>>>>>>>> On the road with his iPad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 5:30 pm, Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey All
>>>>>>>>>> I’m with the essence of what Martin put forward as well as
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan. If those that can do pool together funds under the SIG then we can
>>>>>>>>>> get the tools that Oceania needs.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a link to the Swiss Qgis funding model?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 13:51, Martin Tomko <tomkom at unimelb.edu.au>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just chip in, to elaborate on what I was thinking about when
>>>>>>>>>> drafting the SIG guidelines.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The overall model, for me, was that of the ACM SIGs, which work
>>>>>>>>>> well ( some), or less well ( others), but do not impact on each other. An
>>>>>>>>>> OO member can be member of multiple SIGs, or none. Some may organise
>>>>>>>>>> hackatons, mapping parties, microconferences, some may not. Some may even
>>>>>>>>>> propose ( and successfully populate and run) a stream at a FOSS4G SOTM
>>>>>>>>>> conference (that would be awesome). They may help set the program for the
>>>>>>>>>> conference, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The level of activity, and the financial resources they may have
>>>>>>>>>> available will differ, and it is not up to the OO (board) to dictate, as
>>>>>>>>>> long as they do not encroach on the freedom of others to have their own
>>>>>>>>>> activities, do not place undue burden on the OO itself (run by volunteers,
>>>>>>>>>> you do not want to process hundreds of micro payments, etc, I would say),
>>>>>>>>>> or have multiple SIGs overlapping in scope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Re fees. I would have assumed that most will be free, BUT the
>>>>>>>>>> ability to levy a membership[ fee was left there exactly to satisfy the
>>>>>>>>>> need for supporting a more intensive activity that is not “event” based.
>>>>>>>>>> So, if the QGIS SIG decides to print a monthly SIG magazine and provide it
>>>>>>>>>> as a membership service to the SIG, sure, why not, levy a membership fee.
>>>>>>>>>> Or a website, online course, or similar.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Broader membership by organisations is starting to go borderline,
>>>>>>>>>> to what Adam noted. Is this something where the overall interests of the
>>>>>>>>>> organisation clash with the SIG? I would suggest let’s try this, and
>>>>>>>>>> decide, as we go. If the burden by SIGS or the internal competition is too
>>>>>>>>>> much ( we lose FOS4G SOTM sponsors to the SIG), then this will need to be
>>>>>>>>>> addressed. This is I believe the main concern, but we are not there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Oceania <oceania-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 30 November 2020 at 1:51 pm
>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *QGIS Australia User Group <
>>>>>>>>>> australian-qgis-user-group at googlegroups.com>, OSgeo - Oceania <
>>>>>>>>>> oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community
>>>>>>>>>> consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Cameron
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The issue of membership fees is only for the QGIS special
>>>>>>>>>> interest group. The OSGeo Oceania membership will always be zero, or near
>>>>>>>>>> zero cost.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll let the QGIS folks speak for themselves, but they're talking
>>>>>>>>>> about being able to pool money to fund specific activities, and if people
>>>>>>>>>> are willing to pay for a subscription to regularly contribute, and they
>>>>>>>>>> call it a membership of that QGIS SIG, that's all good, I say!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Cameron Shorter <
>>>>>>>>>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The question of membership fees pops up every few years with
>>>>>>>>>> arguments for and against.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I summarized a bunch of threads in the OSGeo community back when
>>>>>>>>>> I was on the OSGeo board in:
>>>>>>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2013/03/osgeo-board-priorities.html
>>>>>>>>>> .There may be some points in there which you can reuse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should OSGeo act as a high capital or low capital organisation?
>>>>>>>>>> I.e., should OSGeo dedicate energy to collecting sponsorship and then
>>>>>>>>>> passing out these funds to worthy OSGeo causes.
>>>>>>>>>> While initially it seems attractive to have OSGeo woo sponsors,
>>>>>>>>>> because we would all love to have more money to throw at worthy OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>> goals, the reality is that chasing money is hard work. And someone who can
>>>>>>>>>> chase OSGeo sponsorship is likely conflicted with chasing sponsorship for
>>>>>>>>>> their particular workplace. So in practice, to be effective in chasing
>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship, OSGeo will probably need to hire someone specifically for the
>>>>>>>>>> role. OSGeo would then need to raise at least enough to cover wages, and
>>>>>>>>>> then quite a bit more if the sponsorship path is to create extra value.
>>>>>>>>>> This high capital path is how the Eclipse foundation is set up,
>>>>>>>>>> and how LocationTech propose to organise themselves. It is the path that
>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo started following when founded under the umbrella of Autodesk.
>>>>>>>>>> However, over the last seven years, OSGeo has slowly evolved
>>>>>>>>>> toward a low capital volunteer focused organisation. Our overheads are very
>>>>>>>>>> low, which means we waste very little of our volunteer labour and capital
>>>>>>>>>> on the time consuming task of chasing and managing money. Consequently, any
>>>>>>>>>> money we do receive (from conference windfalls or sponsorship) goes a long
>>>>>>>>>> way - as it doesn't get eaten up by high overheads. As discussed and agreed
>>>>>>>>>> by the board, this low capital path is something that is working very well
>>>>>>>>>> for us, and is the path we should continue to follow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 05:21, Adam Steer <adam.d.steer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Andrew for addressing all the questions people have.
>>>>>>>>>> Responding
>>>>>>>>>> to your reply to my questions:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - OK about sponsorships and so on, I can see that the QGIS SIG
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> choose to align events with FOSS4G SotM Oceania editions, thereby
>>>>>>>>>> really streamlining logistics and effort and working with the
>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - conflict of interest: really hard in a community where everyone
>>>>>>>>>> knows each other - my science community is the same, anonymous
>>>>>>>>>> reviews
>>>>>>>>>> are almost impossible! I think yes, recusing people from decision
>>>>>>>>>> making is a great step. I also think it's unrealistic to make a
>>>>>>>>>> blanket statement that fits all cases. I think the best approach
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>> be to handle each case as it comes, and do it transparently. To
>>>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>>> concrete suggestion - and feel free to disagree - the charter
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> contain a statement  like 'Conflicts of interest, real or
>>>>>>>>>> perceived,
>>>>>>>>>> will be handled in accordance with our code of conduct. This means
>>>>>>>>>> recusing relevant parties from decision making as early as
>>>>>>>>>> possible in
>>>>>>>>>> the process, and discussing the matter openly with our community.
>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>> some cases, we may have to proceed by funding people who make
>>>>>>>>>> decisions about where to apply funds. This is a function of a
>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>> and close knit community, and will always be discussed openly
>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>> community first.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are probably heaps of loopholes in that, and impossible to
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> them all - so the short version is to write exactly what you
>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> reply: 'we will be ethical, and will resist being a funding
>>>>>>>>>> pipeline
>>>>>>>>>> to particular people or companies'. The community has to step up
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> make that always true.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no thoughts to add to John's about SIG membership, except I
>>>>>>>>>> really like that you're thinking about how to manage it in an
>>>>>>>>>> inclusive fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do have an opinion about creating sub-SIGS though - in my
>>>>>>>>>> science
>>>>>>>>>> career I've seen multiple disciplines discover the same tooling a
>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>> times. So my hot take is 'avoid having discipline-specific
>>>>>>>>>> subgroups',
>>>>>>>>>> way better to let disciplinary cross-fertilisation happen ;)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Andrew Jeffrey <
>>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > No problems, with everything going on post conference,
>>>>>>>>>> elections, and the upcoming holiday period we may need to leave this open
>>>>>>>>>> for comment for a little longer than normal. Happy to go with what people
>>>>>>>>>> feel is needed here.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > John, regarding your thoughts on the membership I agree 100%,
>>>>>>>>>> the charter at the moment has a sentence stating the SIG should be
>>>>>>>>>> "providing membership avenues for people that may not be in a financial
>>>>>>>>>> position to pay a fee" perhaps we need more clarity around membership and
>>>>>>>>>> what it involves in the charter? To be clear, my thoughts are that keeping
>>>>>>>>>> in the spirit of OO the SIG should be available to everyone and no one
>>>>>>>>>> should be excluded from participating, on reflection the term "membership"
>>>>>>>>>> might come across as prohibitive. I'm sure we'll come up with something
>>>>>>>>>> acceptable through conversation here.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > For context though it may be helpful to explain the intent
>>>>>>>>>> behind the idea of a "membership". The issues it aims to address are below:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > There is some difficulty associated with organisations giving a
>>>>>>>>>> "donation", but purchasing something like a "membership" to a professional
>>>>>>>>>> user group seems to be acceptable and is easier justified in some
>>>>>>>>>> procurement processes.
>>>>>>>>>> > For individuals donating to QGIS helps the project but has
>>>>>>>>>> little influence on their QGIS experience, also individuals on the QGIS
>>>>>>>>>> list have indicated trouble participating in crowdfunding campaigns due to
>>>>>>>>>> high minimum pledges.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > A QGIS SIG would allow us to receive money from interested
>>>>>>>>>> parties wanting to support QGIS in our region, pool the funds and then
>>>>>>>>>> spend as the SIG sees fit. The best part is the money will be spent on the
>>>>>>>>>> items scoped in our charter which is again relevant to users in our region.
>>>>>>>>>> For lack of a better term think of it as a "co-op" for the donations alot
>>>>>>>>>> of us already make on an ad-hoc basis. Ideally we would be looking to get a
>>>>>>>>>> majority of the membership from organisations that we know use QGIS to
>>>>>>>>>> support a bulk of this activity, and then people willing to make a personal
>>>>>>>>>> contribution would then add to that. Then if people can't make a personal
>>>>>>>>>> contribution that is also fine because they can assist in other ways.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > That was the idea in justifying a membership fee. We will need
>>>>>>>>>> to offer something in return, for individuals that will be the professional
>>>>>>>>>> network and for organisations that will be recognition at this early stage
>>>>>>>>>> but as we progress this may evolve.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> > Andrew
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM John Bryant <
>>>>>>>>>> johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It
>>>>>>>>>> has been a couple of months since I last looked at this, and I haven't
>>>>>>>>>> really had a detailed look at the SIG concept yet.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be
>>>>>>>>>> happy to join in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper chance
>>>>>>>>>> to refresh my memory and get up to speed on SIGs.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider
>>>>>>>>>> a free (or very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of us can't
>>>>>>>>>> justify (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in other ways.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> >> John
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, <
>>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Hi Adam,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the
>>>>>>>>>> processes that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the guidelines
>>>>>>>>>> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share knowledge,
>>>>>>>>>> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic within the
>>>>>>>>>> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO
>>>>>>>>>> function and allow the interested community members to drive engagement in
>>>>>>>>>> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say though,
>>>>>>>>>> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in making sure
>>>>>>>>>> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t
>>>>>>>>>> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a
>>>>>>>>>> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing them to
>>>>>>>>>> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I don’t see
>>>>>>>>>> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will ultimately
>>>>>>>>>> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite to fund
>>>>>>>>>> the items in our scope.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know
>>>>>>>>>> the answer in regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we need to
>>>>>>>>>> add something in the charter, would removing those people from the proposal
>>>>>>>>>> and voting process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t want to
>>>>>>>>>> rule local devs out of working on this because they belong to the group,
>>>>>>>>>> but we also don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer <
>>>>>>>>>> adam.d.steer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a
>>>>>>>>>> backing
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> organisation :)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort
>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a
>>>>>>>>>> funding from a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole
>>>>>>>>>> community. For
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a heap
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess
>>>>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the
>>>>>>>>>> other way
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier
>>>>>>>>>> for OO to
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO
>>>>>>>>>> and the SIG
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> will make those concerns go away.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to  a serious
>>>>>>>>>> question:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated
>>>>>>>>>> aim of the
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the
>>>>>>>>>> key QGIS
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> developers in the region are also in the group of people
>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> decisions about buying developer time?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want,
>>>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming
>>>>>>>>>> OO CoC
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> should be 100% compatible.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey <
>>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for
>>>>>>>>>> members to form Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO community.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate around
>>>>>>>>>> common interests which in this case is QGIS.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the
>>>>>>>>>> group proposing the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the Aim and
>>>>>>>>>> Scope under which the SIG will operate.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall
>>>>>>>>>> Dawson would like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit QGIS
>>>>>>>>>> users in our community. To get things started we have come up with a
>>>>>>>>>> charter that we would like to make available for community consultation. As
>>>>>>>>>> this charter currently reflects our input we would like to put this out for
>>>>>>>>>> discussion to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for the
>>>>>>>>>> community. At the moment everyone with the link below has "comment"
>>>>>>>>>> permissions, but "edit" permissions can be granted on request if you would
>>>>>>>>>> like to get more involved and you're welcome to do so.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing
>>>>>>>>>> that there be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds raised
>>>>>>>>>> by the membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by the SIG
>>>>>>>>>> on items as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership is not
>>>>>>>>>> to "make money" but to pool our small contributions to give us better
>>>>>>>>>> "buying power" for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO org we can
>>>>>>>>>> participate in crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a feature
>>>>>>>>>> important to us but might not be recognised as important to the larger QGIS
>>>>>>>>>> project, or engage a trainer to provide professional development via Zoom,
>>>>>>>>>> the types of things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user group
>>>>>>>>>> with no funds etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to offer
>>>>>>>>>> membership to organisations which will become a way for them to support
>>>>>>>>>> QGIS and their local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a majority of
>>>>>>>>>> the funds would come from as we don't want an individual to be excluded due
>>>>>>>>>> to a "fee", which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>> the other proposers are to discuss the intention of this further and in the
>>>>>>>>>> open on this list.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to comment
>>>>>>>>>> on the charter that is fine too.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I look forward to discussing this with you.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Andrew
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>> Cameron Shorter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Technical Writer, Google
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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