[OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter

Sat Jan 2 02:24:06 PST 2021

HI All
A couple of things:
1) I have updated the Jitsi link as it was showing to be happening on 25
Jan instead of 11 Jan. New link:
https://meet.jit.si/SkilledGrandparentsKeepThoroughly
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://meet.jit.si/SkilledGrandparentsKeepThoroughly&sa=D&source=calendar&usd=2&usg=AOvVaw2Xnv46jaxkFmx5m20NFokj>
2) Link to Agenda - I doubt we will get past the QGIS SIG Charter but there
are some other items for food for thought: 20200111 QGIS SIG Agenda
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O9XYh781k-aFgEtUJNtYrlvxPJpQgMdEizlTvS9ydEE/edit?usp=sharing>

Cheers
Em

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 10:23 AM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I have set up a Jitsi  (link)
> <https://meet.jit.si/ArbitraryFamesSqueezeMiserably>meeting for 1100 on
> Monday 11th January.
>
> It sits on the OSGeo Oceania Events Calendar (QGIS SIG Meetup
> <https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=NTBsMW9kYzM0NzhyaWd2NjczcTBiNWRqdXQgMmQyZnNpMTBwNWZzdGVkOHM2cHBwaTBlMXNAZw&tmsrc=2d2fsi10p5fsted8s6pppi0e1s%40group.calendar.google.com>)
> so head there to add whether you will be attending and to get all the
> links.
>
> We will be working on finalising the QGIS SIG document and I have yet to
> get into the agenda folder and will be offline for the next week (offfgrid
> beach camping enjoying the storms and rain.....).
>
> If I get on earlier, I will send one out.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Em
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:16 AM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>> I have added the following to the QGIS SIG Charter.
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z>
>>
>>
>>    - Composition and Roles
>>       - Secretary
>>       - Role of OO Board Director
>>    - Financial
>>    - Reporting
>>    - Referenced documents
>>
>> Can you please review and add comments on your return from holidays (or
>> before if you want to escape your relatives).
>>
>> Also for the Agenda, I think we should concentrate on finalising the QGIS
>> SIG Charter
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit#heading=h.f3owylft5r4z>
>> and go through that. So please review it (again) and put in notes etc. Once
>> that is complete, we can move to an agenda for normal business.
>>
>> Additionally, if you have any events, including live you tube
>> presentations or get-togethers that fit within OO, please place them on the
>> OO Calendar - you can find the links here
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#Events>. Out meetings will be added
>> to the calendar.
>>
>> Merry Christmas!
>> Em
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:55 PM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All
>>> For our first meeting, I propose the week starting 10th January. Can you
>>> please fill in your preference for meeting times in this doodle poll.
>>> https://doodle.com/poll/e4iv56ra4u657eug?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
>>>
>>> Also, please send me any items for an agenda.
>>> Once I have a draft I will send through the link.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Em
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 11:01 AM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all can we set up a meeting?
>>>> Do we want to do it after Xmas and before new year or in new year - i
>>>> am back on deck on 10th Jan
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 6:42 PM Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffrey83 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see what you mean about appearing to be the "go-to" group without
>>>>> engagement from the whole community.
>>>>>
>>>>> The SIG does not necessarily have to be the QGIS user group for the
>>>>> whole Oceania region, it is expressed that way in the charter but if it
>>>>> doesn't work then it doesn't need to stay that way. The QGIS user groups
>>>>> have a model where the user group can be regional or national -
>>>>> https://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/usergroups.html - The UK, for
>>>>> example, has three representing different parts of the UK. There is no
>>>>> reason why Oceania couldn't have multiple independent QGIS user groups like
>>>>> Oceania (Australia), Oceania (Aotearoa), Oceania (Fiji) etc. I do, however,
>>>>> see all of these user groups within Oceania having the same problem that
>>>>> the Australian QGIS group experienced regarding the running of our own
>>>>> events, as described before the OO org and SIG concept provide a framework
>>>>> to address that.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I don't see the SIG standing in the way of local initiatives, but
>>>>> we do have responsibility to engage with the Oceania community and let them
>>>>> know that this SIG and its resources are not exclusive to the Australian
>>>>> QGIS users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I was going to message you this and ask for advice but it's
>>>>> probably best out in the open for other people to throw around suggestions.
>>>>> I have struggled with how to best interact with parts/regions of the OO
>>>>> community. I've included the Australian QGIS list along the way because it
>>>>> is the only user group in Oceania registered on the QGIS site and the OO
>>>>> mailing list because we want to form a SIG within that community. However,
>>>>> if there are other user groups out there and people know of them i'd
>>>>> appreciate it if you could put me in touch.
>>>>>
>>>>> My preference at the moment with the engagement we have is to push on
>>>>> as defined in the charter. The charter is able to be altered in the future,
>>>>> so if something just doesn't work or turns out to inadvertently be
>>>>> prohibitive then we have the opportunity to correct it. I know the people
>>>>> involved at the moment have the communities best interest in mind (and I
>>>>> understand no one is suggesting otherwise), and I am confident that the OO
>>>>> board will hold us to account. I think if we can address these engagement
>>>>> issues as we go, this could be a good example for other SIGs starting out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 1:35 PM John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Andrew, I'm definitely on board with being inclusive and I
>>>>>> think Oceania-wide is great. My concern is about the SIG being seen as the
>>>>>> "go-to" representative of the whole region's QGIS community, before this
>>>>>> reach is genuinely established, and inadvertently standing in the way of
>>>>>> local leadership & initiatives. This is why I wonder whether we see this as
>>>>>> an expansion of the QGIS Australia User Group, or if they're kept as
>>>>>> distinct groups. I'd personally lean toward making the geographic scope
>>>>>> large, and the operational scope small (to begin with).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Related, the OSMF made OSGeo Oceania's OpenStreetMap local chapter
>>>>>> status conditional on making it clear that country-based groups were
>>>>>> entitled to form their own local chapters (see wiki entry
>>>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#OpenStreetMap_Oceania>).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I don't think this concern is a blocker, more a note of
>>>>>> caution. Hopefully Pacific and NZ people are interested and will join in,
>>>>>> the SIG could encourage this by being proactive about supporting users
>>>>>> there. Looking forward to helping!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 at 14:12, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffrey83 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the comments, I'll check them out. As for the questions
>>>>>>> you raise, they haven't been discussed yet and happy to discuss them here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Geographic Scope of the Special Interest Group (SIG) - * As per
>>>>>>> the OSGeo Oceania SIG guidelines
>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1U3R3wSHR9jo9VgywmAQqKswrylwjxw9-/edit>,
>>>>>>> it would be available to all OSGeo Oceania org (OO org) members so that
>>>>>>> would be the geographic area that OO org represents. Emma was also very
>>>>>>> passionate from the start that this is available to all Oceania and not
>>>>>>> just Australia. However, I do take on board your observation about the
>>>>>>> comments / feedback / input being very much Australian focused, in fact, I
>>>>>>> would go one step further and say that it has primarily been from the
>>>>>>> regular posters of the OO mailing list
>>>>>>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>. Would yourself or
>>>>>>> Emma have suggestions on how we could broaden the reach and improve the
>>>>>>> community input? Are there other channels that this should be made
>>>>>>> available on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Which List - *My intention was that "the open mailing list" will
>>>>>>> be the OO mailing list <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/>,
>>>>>>> so I do apologise for the ambiguity here and I can clear that up in the
>>>>>>> charter. As this is a Special Interest Group within the OO org, I believe
>>>>>>> that would be the best place for it. But that is only my opinion, happy for
>>>>>>> others to share their point of view and reach an outcome that we are all
>>>>>>> happy with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been cross-posting the charter and progress on the QGIS
>>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list
>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group> for those
>>>>>>> who may be interested (I now recognise that this may have caused more
>>>>>>> confusion than necessary). A number of members in the QGIS Australia User
>>>>>>> group (myself included) wanted to form something like this SIG after the
>>>>>>> successful 2017 user meetup in Sydney, it ultimately failed because we
>>>>>>> didn't have the capacity to handle funds, and something much better came
>>>>>>> along in the local FOSS4G conference and the OO org because it addresses
>>>>>>> this challenge for all FOSS4G projects in the region. The development of
>>>>>>> this SIG will build on the QGIS community interest that we demonstrated
>>>>>>> exists in 2017, this time around we have the structure of the OO org to
>>>>>>> help us progress funding initiatives to drive investment in the community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:54 PM John Bryant <johnwbryant at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Andrew, awesome work! I've added a few small comments in the doc
>>>>>>>> and want to bring up a couple of thoughts. Apologies if I'm raising
>>>>>>>> questions that have already been answered.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Geographic scope of the SIG*. In the doc it's called the Oceania
>>>>>>>> QGIS SIG. I know we've talked about inclusivity, and welcoming
>>>>>>>> participation from the whole region, in keeping with the ethos of FOSS4G
>>>>>>>> SotM Oceania and OSGeo Oceania. But I'm noticing that so far, (I think) the
>>>>>>>> discussion has only drawn comments and contributions from people in
>>>>>>>> Australia. I guess this is partly because the QGIS Australia community is
>>>>>>>> pretty well established, with a recognised QGIS user group and a mailing
>>>>>>>> list dating back nearly 10 years. But I'm wondering if we need to do more
>>>>>>>> work to make sure people in other countries welcome this representation.
>>>>>>>> Does the lack of participation to date reflect that the message isn't
>>>>>>>> getting through, or that only Australians are interested in this SIG? Or is
>>>>>>>> it just that the Australia QGIS community is leading the conversation
>>>>>>>> because it's more established, and maybe the rest of the region is watching
>>>>>>>> & listening with interest, and will join in later?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Which list?* There are a couple of references to "the open
>>>>>>>> mailing list", it might be good for us to clarify which list. The existing QGIS
>>>>>>>> Australia User Group mailing list
>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/australian-qgis-user-group>, or the
>>>>>>>> Oceania list, or another? I think it could be helpful to make this
>>>>>>>> unambiguous so that people know where to post, and which list to follow to
>>>>>>>> stay up to date. This might be part of a larger question of whether this
>>>>>>>> SIG is distinct from the QGIS Australia User Group, or is the same group in
>>>>>>>> a new form.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 13:42, Andrew Jeffrey <aljeffrey83 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion on the QGIS SIG proposed charter so far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have worked in the comments on dealing with a conflict of
>>>>>>>>> interest, voting (minimum number of voters), and membership tiers. Also a
>>>>>>>>> few formatting changes e.g. I moved the membership section higher up in the
>>>>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I suspect the membership tiers may need some further discussion,
>>>>>>>>> these were the tiers loosely discussed by our SIG proposers very early on
>>>>>>>>> (not the price but the distinction - prices are placeholders at the
>>>>>>>>> moment), we could also look at the pricing of the Swiss User
>>>>>>>>> group for guidance
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application>.
>>>>>>>>> However, again this is all open for your input and feedback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 8:20 AM Andrew Jeffrey <
>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the discussion and input so far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see there are some comments on the charter itself as well which
>>>>>>>>>> is great, we'll try and address each of those in the document and I believe
>>>>>>>>>> you can see the history/resoltion of these in the "comment history" in the
>>>>>>>>>> doc itself. What I can see from the initial feedback is that the
>>>>>>>>>> "membership" or definition of needs more detail and we need to address the
>>>>>>>>>> potential for "conflicts of interest" when raising and voting on motions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @adam - if you don't mind I will add your example text for
>>>>>>>>>> dealing with conflicts of interest from the previous email verbatim as a
>>>>>>>>>> starting point and evolve it from there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, remember if you want to have some editing input on the
>>>>>>>>>> charter reach out and I can add you as an editor to the document.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 9:48 PM Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 17:03, Phil Wyatt <phil at wyatt-family.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.qgis.ch/en/association/membership-application
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers - Phil,
>>>>>>>>>>> On the road with his iPad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 5:30 pm, Emma Hain <emmahain at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey All
>>>>>>>>>>> I’m with the essence of what Martin put forward as well as
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan. If those that can do pool together funds under the SIG then we can
>>>>>>>>>>> get the tools that Oceania needs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a link to the Swiss Qgis funding model?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Emma Hain
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 13:51, Martin Tomko <tomkom at unimelb.edu.au>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just chip in, to elaborate on what I was thinking about when
>>>>>>>>>>> drafting the SIG guidelines.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The overall model, for me, was that of the ACM SIGs, which work
>>>>>>>>>>> well ( some), or less well ( others), but do not impact on each other. An
>>>>>>>>>>> OO member can be member of multiple SIGs, or none. Some may organise
>>>>>>>>>>> hackatons, mapping parties, microconferences, some may not. Some may even
>>>>>>>>>>> propose ( and successfully populate and run) a stream at a FOSS4G SOTM
>>>>>>>>>>> conference (that would be awesome). They may help set the program for the
>>>>>>>>>>> conference, etc, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The level of activity, and the financial resources they may have
>>>>>>>>>>> available will differ, and it is not up to the OO (board) to dictate, as
>>>>>>>>>>> long as they do not encroach on the freedom of others to have their own
>>>>>>>>>>> activities, do not place undue burden on the OO itself (run by volunteers,
>>>>>>>>>>> you do not want to process hundreds of micro payments, etc, I would say),
>>>>>>>>>>> or have multiple SIGs overlapping in scope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Re fees. I would have assumed that most will be free, BUT the
>>>>>>>>>>> ability to levy a membership[ fee was left there exactly to satisfy the
>>>>>>>>>>> need for supporting a more intensive activity that is not “event” based.
>>>>>>>>>>> So, if the QGIS SIG decides to print a monthly SIG magazine and provide it
>>>>>>>>>>> as a membership service to the SIG, sure, why not, levy a membership fee.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or a website, online course, or similar.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Broader membership by organisations is starting to go
>>>>>>>>>>> borderline, to what Adam noted. Is this something where the overall
>>>>>>>>>>> interests of the organisation clash with the SIG? I would suggest let’s try
>>>>>>>>>>> this, and decide, as we go. If the burden by SIGS or the internal
>>>>>>>>>>> competition is too much ( we lose FOS4G SOTM sponsors to the SIG), then
>>>>>>>>>>> this will need to be addressed. This is I believe the main concern, but we
>>>>>>>>>>> are not there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Oceania <oceania-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 30 November 2020 at 1:51 pm
>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *QGIS Australia User Group <
>>>>>>>>>>> australian-qgis-user-group at googlegroups.com>, OSgeo - Oceania <
>>>>>>>>>>> oceania at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSGeo Oceania] [Aus-NZ-QGIS-group] Community
>>>>>>>>>>> consultation: OO Org QGIS Special Interest Group Charter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Cameron
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The issue of membership fees is only for the QGIS special
>>>>>>>>>>> interest group. The OSGeo Oceania membership will always be zero, or near
>>>>>>>>>>> zero cost.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll let the QGIS folks speak for themselves, but they're
>>>>>>>>>>> talking about being able to pool money to fund specific activities, and if
>>>>>>>>>>> people are willing to pay for a subscription to regularly contribute, and
>>>>>>>>>>> they call it a membership of that QGIS SIG, that's all good, I say!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 13:33, Cameron Shorter <
>>>>>>>>>>> cameron.shorter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The question of membership fees pops up every few years with
>>>>>>>>>>> arguments for and against.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I summarized a bunch of threads in the OSGeo community back when
>>>>>>>>>>> I was on the OSGeo board in:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://cameronshorter.blogspot.com/2013/03/osgeo-board-priorities.html
>>>>>>>>>>> .There may be some points in there which you can reuse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo as a low capital, volunteer focused organisation
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Should OSGeo act as a high capital or low capital organisation?
>>>>>>>>>>> I.e., should OSGeo dedicate energy to collecting sponsorship and then
>>>>>>>>>>> passing out these funds to worthy OSGeo causes.
>>>>>>>>>>> While initially it seems attractive to have OSGeo woo sponsors,
>>>>>>>>>>> because we would all love to have more money to throw at worthy OSGeo
>>>>>>>>>>> goals, the reality is that chasing money is hard work. And someone who can
>>>>>>>>>>> chase OSGeo sponsorship is likely conflicted with chasing sponsorship for
>>>>>>>>>>> their particular workplace. So in practice, to be effective in chasing
>>>>>>>>>>> sponsorship, OSGeo will probably need to hire someone specifically for the
>>>>>>>>>>> role. OSGeo would then need to raise at least enough to cover wages, and
>>>>>>>>>>> then quite a bit more if the sponsorship path is to create extra value.
>>>>>>>>>>> This high capital path is how the Eclipse foundation is set up,
>>>>>>>>>>> and how LocationTech propose to organise themselves. It is the path that
>>>>>>>>>>> OSGeo started following when founded under the umbrella of Autodesk.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, over the last seven years, OSGeo has slowly evolved
>>>>>>>>>>> toward a low capital volunteer focused organisation. Our overheads are very
>>>>>>>>>>> low, which means we waste very little of our volunteer labour and capital
>>>>>>>>>>> on the time consuming task of chasing and managing money. Consequently, any
>>>>>>>>>>> money we do receive (from conference windfalls or sponsorship) goes a long
>>>>>>>>>>> way - as it doesn't get eaten up by high overheads. As discussed and agreed
>>>>>>>>>>> by the board, this low capital path is something that is working very well
>>>>>>>>>>> for us, and is the path we should continue to follow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 05:21, Adam Steer <adam.d.steer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Andrew for addressing all the questions people have.
>>>>>>>>>>> Responding
>>>>>>>>>>> to your reply to my questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - OK about sponsorships and so on, I can see that the QGIS SIG
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> choose to align events with FOSS4G SotM Oceania editions, thereby
>>>>>>>>>>> really streamlining logistics and effort and working with the
>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - conflict of interest: really hard in a community where everyone
>>>>>>>>>>> knows each other - my science community is the same, anonymous
>>>>>>>>>>> reviews
>>>>>>>>>>> are almost impossible! I think yes, recusing people from decision
>>>>>>>>>>> making is a great step. I also think it's unrealistic to make a
>>>>>>>>>>> blanket statement that fits all cases. I think the best approach
>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>> be to handle each case as it comes, and do it transparently. To
>>>>>>>>>>> make a
>>>>>>>>>>> concrete suggestion - and feel free to disagree - the charter
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> contain a statement  like 'Conflicts of interest, real or
>>>>>>>>>>> perceived,
>>>>>>>>>>> will be handled in accordance with our code of conduct. This
>>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>>> recusing relevant parties from decision making as early as
>>>>>>>>>>> possible in
>>>>>>>>>>> the process, and discussing the matter openly with our
>>>>>>>>>>> community. In
>>>>>>>>>>> some cases, we may have to proceed by funding people who make
>>>>>>>>>>> decisions about where to apply funds. This is a function of a
>>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>>> and close knit community, and will always be discussed openly
>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>> community first.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are probably heaps of loopholes in that, and impossible to
>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>>> them all - so the short version is to write exactly what you
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> reply: 'we will be ethical, and will resist being a funding
>>>>>>>>>>> pipeline
>>>>>>>>>>> to particular people or companies'. The community has to step up
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> make that always true.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no thoughts to add to John's about SIG membership, except
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> really like that you're thinking about how to manage it in an
>>>>>>>>>>> inclusive fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do have an opinion about creating sub-SIGS though - in my
>>>>>>>>>>> science
>>>>>>>>>>> career I've seen multiple disciplines discover the same tooling
>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>> times. So my hot take is 'avoid having discipline-specific
>>>>>>>>>>> subgroups',
>>>>>>>>>>> way better to let disciplinary cross-fertilisation happen ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 09:39, Andrew Jeffrey <
>>>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > No problems, with everything going on post conference,
>>>>>>>>>>> elections, and the upcoming holiday period we may need to leave this open
>>>>>>>>>>> for comment for a little longer than normal. Happy to go with what people
>>>>>>>>>>> feel is needed here.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > John, regarding your thoughts on the membership I agree 100%,
>>>>>>>>>>> the charter at the moment has a sentence stating the SIG should be
>>>>>>>>>>> "providing membership avenues for people that may not be in a financial
>>>>>>>>>>> position to pay a fee" perhaps we need more clarity around membership and
>>>>>>>>>>> what it involves in the charter? To be clear, my thoughts are that keeping
>>>>>>>>>>> in the spirit of OO the SIG should be available to everyone and no one
>>>>>>>>>>> should be excluded from participating, on reflection the term "membership"
>>>>>>>>>>> might come across as prohibitive. I'm sure we'll come up with something
>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable through conversation here.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > For context though it may be helpful to explain the intent
>>>>>>>>>>> behind the idea of a "membership". The issues it aims to address are below:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > There is some difficulty associated with organisations giving
>>>>>>>>>>> a "donation", but purchasing something like a "membership" to a
>>>>>>>>>>> professional user group seems to be acceptable and is easier justified in
>>>>>>>>>>> some procurement processes.
>>>>>>>>>>> > For individuals donating to QGIS helps the project but has
>>>>>>>>>>> little influence on their QGIS experience, also individuals on the QGIS
>>>>>>>>>>> list have indicated trouble participating in crowdfunding campaigns due to
>>>>>>>>>>> high minimum pledges.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > A QGIS SIG would allow us to receive money from interested
>>>>>>>>>>> parties wanting to support QGIS in our region, pool the funds and then
>>>>>>>>>>> spend as the SIG sees fit. The best part is the money will be spent on the
>>>>>>>>>>> items scoped in our charter which is again relevant to users in our region.
>>>>>>>>>>> For lack of a better term think of it as a "co-op" for the donations alot
>>>>>>>>>>> of us already make on an ad-hoc basis. Ideally we would be looking to get a
>>>>>>>>>>> majority of the membership from organisations that we know use QGIS to
>>>>>>>>>>> support a bulk of this activity, and then people willing to make a personal
>>>>>>>>>>> contribution would then add to that. Then if people can't make a personal
>>>>>>>>>>> contribution that is also fine because they can assist in other ways.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > That was the idea in justifying a membership fee. We will need
>>>>>>>>>>> to offer something in return, for individuals that will be the professional
>>>>>>>>>>> network and for organisations that will be recognition at this early stage
>>>>>>>>>>> but as we progress this may evolve.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> > Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 3:57 PM John Bryant <
>>>>>>>>>>> johnwbryant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Andrew, thanks a lot for continuing to push this forward. It
>>>>>>>>>>> has been a couple of months since I last looked at this, and I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>> really had a detailed look at the SIG concept yet.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I'm 'out of the office' for the next few days, but would be
>>>>>>>>>>> happy to join in this discussion when I get back, and have a proper chance
>>>>>>>>>>> to refresh my memory and get up to speed on SIGs.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> One brief thought, it feels like it would be good to consider
>>>>>>>>>>> a free (or very inexpensive) tier of membership. I suspect many of us can't
>>>>>>>>>>> justify (or can't afford) to spend much, but could contribute in other ways.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> >> John
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 9:46 am Andrew Jeffrey, <
>>>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Hi Adam,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I agree the SIG shouldn't bring about any duplication of the
>>>>>>>>>>> processes that the OO currently does. A SIG as defined in the guidelines
>>>>>>>>>>> should be "enabling OSGeo Oceania members to interact, share knowledge,
>>>>>>>>>>> organise events, and collaborate on a selected, targeted topic within the
>>>>>>>>>>> scope of OSGeo Oceania". So a SIG should be complementary to the OO
>>>>>>>>>>> function and allow the interested community members to drive engagement in
>>>>>>>>>>> that area without the OO board having to do it all. Like you say though,
>>>>>>>>>>> open communication between the SIG and the OO board is key in making sure
>>>>>>>>>>> there is no overlap being introduced. Also to be clear the SIG isn’t
>>>>>>>>>>> seeking “sponsorship” as such but we do want to be able to collect a
>>>>>>>>>>> membership fee for people/orgs wanting to be involved, allowing them to
>>>>>>>>>>> fund items that maybe other OO members don’t see as important. I don’t see
>>>>>>>>>>> this taking away from conference sponsorship and this idea will ultimately
>>>>>>>>>>> sink or swim depending on whether the SIG members have an appetite to fund
>>>>>>>>>>> the items in our scope.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> As for the conflict of interest, to be honest I don't know
>>>>>>>>>>> the answer in regards to how that should be dealt with. I think we need to
>>>>>>>>>>> add something in the charter, would removing those people from the proposal
>>>>>>>>>>> and voting process be enough? How does OO deal with this? I don’t want to
>>>>>>>>>>> rule local devs out of working on this because they belong to the group,
>>>>>>>>>>> but we also don’t want to become the entry point to company XYZ.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 7:35 AM Adam Steer <
>>>>>>>>>>> adam.d.steer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hey Andrew and all the QGIS SIG proposers
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks, I think this is a perfect use of OSGeo Oceania as a
>>>>>>>>>>> backing
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> organisation :)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only reservation with any SIG proposal is that effort
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> duplicated about events and marketing, and also that a
>>>>>>>>>>> funding from a
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> small pool of interested parties (relative to other parts
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> world) is able to be effectively spread among the whole
>>>>>>>>>>> community. For
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> an example it would be a bit awry to see a SIG gather a
>>>>>>>>>>> heap of
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> funding at the expense of conference sponsorships. I guess
>>>>>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> case the SIG could also sponsor conferences? This goes the
>>>>>>>>>>> other way
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> too - the existence of a well connected SIG makes it easier
>>>>>>>>>>> for OO to
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> fund a QGIS feature (for example) if it decides to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I think clear, constant and open communication between OO
>>>>>>>>>>> and the SIG
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> will make those concerns go away.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> In writing this I did work my thoughts through to  a
>>>>>>>>>>> serious question:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> How will the SIG deal with conflicts of interest? A stated
>>>>>>>>>>> aim of the
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> SIG is to fund development, what will the SIG do if all the
>>>>>>>>>>> key QGIS
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> developers in the region are also in the group of people
>>>>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> decisions about buying developer time?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> My only comment on the charter itself is that if you want,
>>>>>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> link to the existing Berlin Code of Conduct:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> https://berlincodeofconduct.org/ - with which the upcoming
>>>>>>>>>>> OO CoC
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> should be 100% compatible.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 at 04:37, Andrew Jeffrey <
>>>>>>>>>>> aljeffrey83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > The OSGeo Oceania board has approved an initiative for
>>>>>>>>>>> members to form Special Interest Groups (SIGs) within the OO community.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > A SIG is a way for community members to collaborate
>>>>>>>>>>> around common interests which in this case is QGIS.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > In establishing a SIG, the OO board requires that the
>>>>>>>>>>> group proposing the SIG put forward a charter which outlines the Aim and
>>>>>>>>>>> Scope under which the SIG will operate.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Myself, Emma Hain, John Bryant, Nathan Woodrow and Nyall
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawson would like to start a QGIS SIG which can be used to benefit QGIS
>>>>>>>>>>> users in our community. To get things started we have come up with a
>>>>>>>>>>> charter that we would like to make available for community consultation. As
>>>>>>>>>>> this charter currently reflects our input we would like to put this out for
>>>>>>>>>>> discussion to see if what we are proposing is on the right path for the
>>>>>>>>>>> community. At the moment everyone with the link below has "comment"
>>>>>>>>>>> permissions, but "edit" permissions can be granted on request if you would
>>>>>>>>>>> like to get more involved and you're welcome to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lrewntrC0N1r6mfZdo1AdPhe2qTEaN5hDA2pcL0mrvI/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I also just want to be upfront that this SIG is proposing
>>>>>>>>>>> that there be a membership fee associated with the group. The funds raised
>>>>>>>>>>> by the membership will be stored with the OO org and then used by the SIG
>>>>>>>>>>> on items as scoped out in the charter. The idea with the membership is not
>>>>>>>>>>> to "make money" but to pool our small contributions to give us better
>>>>>>>>>>> "buying power" for lack of a better term. As a SIG within the OO org we can
>>>>>>>>>>> participate in crowdfunding campaigns, engage a dev to develop a feature
>>>>>>>>>>> important to us but might not be recognised as important to the larger QGIS
>>>>>>>>>>> project, or engage a trainer to provide professional development via Zoom,
>>>>>>>>>>> the types of things that are hard to do as individuals or as a user group
>>>>>>>>>>> with no funds etc. The membership arrangement also allows us to offer
>>>>>>>>>>> membership to organisations which will become a way for them to support
>>>>>>>>>>> QGIS and their local QGIS community. Ideally, this is where a majority of
>>>>>>>>>>> the funds would come from as we don't want an individual to be excluded due
>>>>>>>>>>> to a "fee", which is also covered in the charter. I'm available as I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>>> the other proposers are to discuss the intention of this further and in the
>>>>>>>>>>> open on this list.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Any questions feel free to ask or if you prefer to
>>>>>>>>>>> comment on the charter that is fine too.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > I look forward to discussing this with you.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> > Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Technical Writer, Google
>>>>>>>>>>>
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