[Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform for developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
Cameron Shorter
cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Sun Nov 1 02:11:43 PST 2009
Richardo, Bob,
You have some good ideas in these last few emails, in particular about
defining what our project has become, because we have become more than
just a Virtual Machine, or a distribution.
What we have created is an effective build process, which can be used to
distribute to multiple targets.
Yes, we should consolidate our project and bring all the components in
together.
Yes, we also should be setting up a timeline, which I think should align
with Ubuntu release cycles.
Yes, this is something I want to get involved in, but I have a backlog
of work for ~ 6 or so weeks before I'll restart my serious involvement
in the LiveDVD project again.
I think the next steps are to finish off the automation of the build
process, which was close to being finished, and start working out the
deployment processes for other targets. (Bob might be able to show us
how to build a USB distribution?)
Medium term, I'd like to see us engage with other communities - in
particular, the education community is one area I think we can add huge
value.
Ricardo Pinho wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
>
>> Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
>> implementation of a stack or ???
>>
>
> It is intended to a wide range of implementations areas.
> This is my opinion and a conclusion that I take from GISVM users feedback during the 1 year of GISVM lifetime.
>
> I've tried to point out this during my FOSS4G 2009 presentation:
> http://2009.foss4g.org/presentations/#presentation_176
>
> The learning/teaching goal is the most obvious one. (workshops, tutorials...)
> FOSS4G Demonstration is also obvious. Every software presenter/commercial/salesman I know uses VM's for their demonstrations.
> Software Distribution is another inevitable goal (FOSS4G LiveDVD)
> Cloud computing, can also be a success if well explored (Click2Try)
> I use it everyday at my Job (Local Authority) as a GIS Workstation and Server solution.
> You can also use it as a developers stack for beta-testing their apps...
> etc
>
>
> So, I think it doesn't have to do with the intention, but what is behind all of that.
> That's how I have chosen the GISVM name. GIS and Virtualization!
>
> For instance, Live-demo is also a good name, but it lacks Geospatial reference and it strictly indicates demo implementation.
> We can eventually go for "FOSS4G VM", to link it to the FOSS4G conference... or "OSGeo VM", if OpenGeo guys don't mind...;-)
>
>
>> Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
>> that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier.
>>
>
> That's what I initially proposed to Cameron when he asked me for participating on the LiveDVD build.
> As far as I understood, the problem was about funding associated to FOSS4G 2009. It only allowed DVD burning, not USB sticks!
> On the technical point of view, it's identical, producing a LiveDVD or a LiveUSB.
>
> Thank you for your opinion.
>
> Cheers,
> Ricardo Pinho
> http://gisvm.com
>
>
>
> ----- Mensagem original ----
> De: Bob Basques <Bob.Basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
> Para: live-demo at lists.osgeo.org; rpinho_eng at yahoo.com.br
> Cc: cameron.shorter at lisasoft.com
> Enviadas: Sábado, 31 de Outubro de 2009 16:41:27
> Assunto: Re: [Live-demo] Using OSGeo hosting platform for developingArramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
>
> All,
>
> I've watched this progress leading up to the Sydney event from the
> sidelines. I have a question about the final intent of the product
> though. Is this intended as a learning tool, a production
> implementation of a stack or ???
>
> I think this question needs to have some clarification put to it,
> especially with regard to naming. Also, there might be more than one
> final version of things depending on use, so some sort of naming
> convention might be useful as well.
>
> Also, I've become interested my self with building USB based systems
> that work similarly, and seem to span OSs a little easier. At least
> based on the traffic I saw in the list leading up to Sydney. On USB
> for many OS's. I'm also pondering if there might be a method that allow
> for mixing the two, VM and USB(native OS based)
>
> I have many business interests related to this, most recently emergency
> management, but port data stores are also of interest as well as syncing
> of datastores, as in collecting offline and syncing when network
> available.
>
> Just thought I would chime in here on these point. I have a few other
> too.
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
>>>> Ricardo Pinho <rpinho_eng at yahoo.com.br> 10/31/09 3:31 AM >>>
>>>>
> Hi,
>
>
> This question has crossed my mind quite a bit and I think we should come
> up with an answer together:
>
>
> “How to continue
> using OSGeo hosting platform for developing Arramagong/LiveDVD/GISVM
> project?”
>
> There are
> many distinct tools and references on the internet for this project:
>
> a) Several
> Wiki pages:
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GISVM_Build
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Packages
>
> b) Svn
> trunk:
> https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/livedvd/gisvm/
>
> c) Trac
> platform
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/livedvd/gisvm
>
> d) Download
> site:
> http://download.osgeo.org/livedvd/index.html
>
> e) Live-Demo
> mailing list
> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/live-demo/
>
> f) Arramagong
> site
> http://www.arramagong.com
>
> g) GISVM
> site
> http://gisvm.com
>
>
> So, how can
> we organize it on a simple structure for simplicity and integration of
> all
> these?
>
> I
> understand that this is the result from joining several projects and
> products.
> But there are now too many names involved on this initiative. This
> doesn’t help
> the clarification for user and developer understanding.. Even I get
> confused
> about this and explaining it is even harder!
>
> My opinion
> is that we should start to agree on defining “one unique name” for the
> process
> of building the install script repository and the resulting Virtual
> Machine
> development build. Then there
> could be several names for resulting products like: Arramagong, LiveDVD,
> GISVM,
> etc.
>
> But this is
> only a start-up suggestion, and I would appreciate others thoughts about
> this…
>
> Thank you,
> Ricardo
> Pinho
>
>
>
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