[Live-demo] Re: Disk Priorities

maplabs at light42.com maplabs at light42.com
Thu Apr 8 09:45:49 PDT 2010

> Alex Mandel wrote:
  > > Brian Hamlin wrote:
  > >
  > >> Hi All-
  > >>
  > >>   re-reading the threads from the last days.. I have to say.. 
  > >> I'd prefer to see Natural Earth data, Marble add-ons and NASA WorldWind
  > >> on one disk
  > >> over Windows and Mac installers.. The WIndows and Mac installers could
  > >> possibly be a
  > >> second disk... 
  > >>
  > >>  btw- I preemptively oppose having *only* windows installers  :-)
  > >>
  > >>  best regards from Berkeley, California
  > >>    -Brian
  > >>
  > >> ==
  > >> Brian Hamlin
  > >>
  > >
  > > I think we need to do more research into how the disc is being used
  > > before we can make any such decisions. FYI, keeping the total iso size
  > > to 3.2-ish GB before adding the Windows/Mac installers actually helps
  > > ensure it will also fit on a 4GB USB flash drive with enough room to
  > > save files. I think we need to try our best to add things in the future
  > > with no net gain in file size, ie remove and clean things as we go, and
  > > optimize the data options. 
  > >
  > > Natural Earth  1
  > > Marble add-ons  0 (not sure what it would add)
  > > NASA WorldWind -0 (Isn't it a programming api, not an actual
  > > application, or did people mean to include a sample application? I'm
  > > concerned it would be a behemoth of uncompiled code)
  > >
  > > Thanks,
  > > Alex
  > >
  > >
  >  1 to Alex's comments. 
well, in no particular order-
* current users: I dont think it makes much sense to base decisions on 
current users, although foolish to ignore them.. Since its so very very 
new, a study of *prospective* users makes more sense to me... Great 
products incorporate feedback from their audience, so yes, definitely 
query... but current users doesnt seem whole to me.. 
* size constraints: I am not sure that's a coherant line of reasoning 
there.. my California ally and prime contributor wildintellect says 
keeping things down to 3.2 GB is good, because... ?? 4GB fits on a USB 
stick?  4GB fits on a DVD too? well yeah - 4GB is a target size no 
doubt.. the question at hand is priority for what is in there
* contents: I think a collection of installers for other platforms, and 
a LiveDVD that boots Linux, are just different. WorldWind is a fine 
project, but not an OSGeo project, so it is lower priority, 
naturally... but there are WW users, it has public visibility, a user 
base.. Off the top of my head it seems that this LiveDVD has a great 
shot at being somewhat of a *reference platform*.. lots synergy between 
sfwr packages is possible.. 
  Further, I claim a spinny globe is a strategic priority for the OSS 
Geo space.. unfortunately OSSIM has its shortcomings.. Marble is moving 
along very rapidly it seems with KDE and .edu momentum.. WW has been 
plugging along.. let's augment and support this movement, with this 
 Common Dataset:  1
 Natural Earth:  1 with emphasis (!)
* slimming down: yes absolutely.. I am just floored by the ability of 
wildintellect and Hamish to dial in to the linux details.. Let's apply 
some portion of that capacity to content editing and smart resolution 
of duplication.. I am not sure any of us on the core list are Java 
devs, and Java is notoriously big.. so its no surprise to me that Java 
whatnot is a prime candidate for slimming 

  > For the next release I'd like to see a focus on the following (in no
  > particular order):
  > * Set up one common dataset, and encourage all projects to make use of
  > that dataset. The long term goal is to reduce/remove project specific
  > datasets on the DVD. Natural Earth looks like a good candidate. 
  > * Only have one version of Java/Tomcat installed. (We should be able to
  > save space here)
  > Docs   Testing:
  > ==========
  > * General tweaking of docs. Have one person tweak them all so they are
  > consistant with a common formula, and emphasis. Also include one
  > screenshot in the description page. 
  > * Long term goal: Provide a series of screen shots walking through
  > simple example usage of the application. 
  > * Have testing pages increased to cover all core functionality for each
  > project. Ie, if the project supports WFS, provide a test which queries
  > WFS. (At this point, we don't need to cover the 100s of different ways a
  > WFS could be queried.)
  > * Have projects reference results of internal testing they may have
  > done, if it exists. (I expect this to be more of a placeholder for
  > future releases)
  > * Have some cross project comparison information. In particular, make
  > use of desktop comparison tables, browser comparison tables etc, which
  > already exist, or are being built. 
  > * Develop a powerpoint presentation of the LiveDVD which can be used by
  > anyone wanting to show off GeoSpatial Open Source at their local
  > conference or workplace. This could be complemented by a Video of the
  > same powerpoint. 
  > Infrastructure:
  > =========
  > * Formalise our project organisation somewhat, formalising some of our
  > processes (similar to OSGeo project requirements). In particular:
  > ** Set up our own svn group. (At the moment we share with general OSGeo
  > documentation). We are maintaining Open Source code, and so should put
  > in place the formalities required to confirm our packaging code follows
  > the LGPL licence we have set down. Ie, get all committers to confirm
  > they accept the LGPL licence and will abide by it. 
  > ** Set up a web page at: http://live.osgeo.org and copy our
  > documentation here
  > ** Formalise our decision making process by setting up a Project
  > Steering Committee. We can cut and paste from other projects. Our
  > decision making process will be pressured when we have to make hard
  > decisions about what doesn't fit onto the DVD. In particular, we will
  > likely be questioned by external projects wanting to get on the DVD, or
  > wanting to add their large datasets onto the DVD. 
Docs, Steering committee, hosting.. Sure, all of that.. 
A genuine thanks to Cameron for consistent and applied engagement. 
best regards

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