[Live-demo] Re: Disk Priorities

Brian Hamlin maplabs at light42.com
Fri Apr 9 09:45:00 PDT 2010

I thought the Marble crew was saying that yes, there is more...
its actively being compiled now.. they have a layers mechanism that 
went in recently
(I just saw that it exists - no further info)


yes, full screen PDF..



On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:05 PM, Hamish wrote:

> Alex wrote:
>>> FYI, keeping the total iso size to 3.2-ish GB before adding
>>> the Windows/Mac installers actually helps ensure it will
>>> also fit on a 4GB USB flash drive with enough room to save
>>> files.
> ...
>>> Natural Earth  1
> how much room does that want?
>>> Marble add-ons  0 (not sure what it would add)
> marble-data is already installed, nothing more to do.
>>> NASA WorldWind -0 (Isn't it a programming api, not an actual
>>> application, or did people mean to include a sample
>>> application? I'm concerned it would be a behemoth of
>>> uncompiled code)
> I would consider WW if an active user stepped up willing to
> maintain it, and it wasn't too big. else it just sits on the
> wish list. Of course we can have installer scripts and disable
> them in a particular build. (users could roll their own custom
> discs)
> Brian wrote:
>> keeping things down to 3.2 GB is good, because... ??
> As Alex wrote, "with enough room to save files."
> * The USB stick is a persistent install, so you want a little
> workspace to play with.
> * The current ubuntu USB-live tool forces you to format the
> usb stick as vfat first, which is not efficient for large
> volumes and so you lose a couple hundred MB in file system
> overheads.
> * The base image is immutable. Any changes to it get saved to
> the user-space and get applied over the top. So the free space gets 
> gobbled up a lot faster than a normal hard-drive install.
> * The base image is compressed, the user space is not.
>> contents: I think a collection of installers for other
>> platforms, and a LiveDVD that boots Linux, are just different.
> Perhaps, but for something that is handed out at conferences
> as a demo they both contribute to the goal of wider visibility
> and use of OSGeo tools. Which is why we are here..
> By making things like Firefox and OpenOffice available on all
> platforms, it makes the particular operating system you are
> using less important and any later transition less painful.
> If the base operating system becomes less important/irrelevant
> any one with a monopoly loses power (aka why MS fears Google).
> Handing out FOSS4G installers to Mac users is an easy win,
> they'll be willing to try new & lesser known software if it
> means they can get through their work day without needing a
> second machine, dual boot, or virtual session running MS ware.
> Cameron:
>>> * Develop a powerpoint presentation of the LiveDVD
>>> which can be used by anyone wanting to show off GeoSpatial
>>> Open Source at their local conference or workplace. This
>>> could be complemented by a Video of the same powerpoint.
> use full-screen PDF instead of PPT. looks the same, works
> better, and works everywhere. screencasts are easy & efficient
> in flash for video, but I'm not sure if there is a better tool.
> I'm hoping there is.
> Cameron:
>>> Infrastructure:
>>> =========
>>> * Formalise our project organisation somewhat, formalising
>>> some of our processes (similar to OSGeo project
>>> requirements).
> as stated earlier, I am luke-cold on the idea of us going down
> the path of applying for incubation status.
> IMHO for a small project such as ourselves it kills the vibrancy
> of potential collaborators. Also I think the license issue is
> a non-issue. All contributed scripts are required to have a
> license statement, and let's face it- we're not really creating
> a new and unique work here, we're making a conglomerate of other
> people's original works, hopefully into something who's whole is
> greater than the sum of its parts.
> The power and the decisions need to come bottom-up from the
> representatives of the contributing projects and the conference
> organizers. Even the suspicion of top-down or inner-clique
> decisions kills dead new+outside contributions. Keep it open,
> keep it public, keep decisions based on technical consensus of
> the group, not on strategy (aka politics). Anyone who wants to
> contribute a voice and has a good idea should get a say IMO.
> Which is a very long winded way of saying that when this project
> no longer becomes fun to work on I'll drift away on to other
> things with no hard feelings. I am interested in spending my
> time making cool new tech, not having back room votes to decide
> on which font to use or which wallpaper to use on the bike shed.
> If we're doing this communication thing right, there should
> never be an issue which requires a formal vote. At that point
> the community is already fractured and the project is in real
> trouble.
> Also fwiw, I will not put my self in a position to take on legal
> liability for something which pulls in binary blobs from the
> four (respectable) corners of the internet and where someone
> else has clicked-through license agreements for you, etc.
> my 2c,
> Hamish

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